Bombardier Accident at Teterboro
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Capt. Inop . . .
Excuse my naiveté . . . but please tell me this is an optical illusion?
The middle photo . . . is the runway end really . . . like, 300-ft. away and about 30-ft. above what is essential a strip-mall??
Excuse my naiveté . . . but please tell me this is an optical illusion?
The middle photo . . . is the runway end really . . . like, 300-ft. away and about 30-ft. above what is essential a strip-mall??
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Based on posts in this thread, it seems to be a foregone conclusion that icing caused this........do we know that for a fact???
That is one of many possible causes for this accident.....let's get the facts before assiging a cause.
That is one of many possible causes for this accident.....let's get the facts before assiging a cause.
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Regarding the post from Bingo Bango Bongo above: it is good for once to see a measured, objective and unbiased analysis of an aviation accident that we can all respect and admire.
A classic of its type!
Is there anyone else out there who is suffering from a similar bout of chronic indigestion?
A classic of its type!
Is there anyone else out there who is suffering from a similar bout of chronic indigestion?
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Well, he seems to think the aircraft has an ejection seat, if I understand the intent of his post. (Otherwise the remark is even more other-worldly than the rest of the post).
Which would certainly be an INNOVATIVE design for a civil transport aircraft.
Which would certainly be an INNOVATIVE design for a civil transport aircraft.
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February 3, 2005
Runaway Jet at Teterboro Rams Warehouse, Injuring 20
By PATRICK McGEEHAN and DAMIEN CAVE
A corporate jet shot off a runway yesterday as it was taking off from Teterboro Airport in New Jersey, ripped through a metal fence and barreled across a six-lane highway - striking cars, even peeling the roof off one - before coming to rest with its nose lodged in the brick wall of a warehouse. The authorities expressed amazement that nobody was killed, though more than 20 people were injured.
The jet slammed two parked cars into the wall of the warehouse, which partly collapsed and then caught fire. Other parked cars burst into flames. Terrified office workers bolted to safety while startled drivers outside, confronted with the surreal image of a broken plane sticking out of the building, screeched traffic to a stop on one of the region's busiest highways during the morning rush.
The plane caught fire but did not explode, even though it was carrying enough fuel for its flight to Chicago. All eight passengers, a group of financial executives, walked or crawled away from the smoking wreck in the building, which is the headquarters of the Strawberry clothing store chain.
There were many close calls. Rohan Foster, who was driving to work at a nearby factory, was stopped at a red light on Route 46 when his passenger shouted, "Watch out, the plane is coming."
The two men ducked, and the plane tore the roof off the green Toyota, then kept going, according to Mr. Foster's father, Lloyd, who related his son's account. Rohan Foster was admitted to Holy Name Hospital in Teaneck with broken facial bones. He and his passenger would have been killed instantly if they hadn't ducked, his father said.
"Thank God," he said. "It's a miracle."
After crossing Route 46, the jet brought terror and confusion to Strawberry's offices. "The plane was inside my friend's office," said Armando Contreras, 22, an employee who was in a hallway when the building shook with the plane's impact. "The pilot opened the door and ran."
The jet, a Canadair CL-600 Challenger, was part of the same series as the one that crashed in Colorado nine weeks ago, killing a son of Dick Ebersol, chairman of NBC Universal Sports, and two crew members.
Of the 20 people injured at Teterboro, including bystanders and firefighters who responded to the scene, four remained hospitalized last night. The most seriously injured was Mr. Foster's passenger, James, whose last name was not released. He was in critical condition at Hackensack University Medical Center with a head wound, a hospital official said.
The co-pilot suffered a broken leg and was in stable condition last night. One victim, a passenger, was admitted to Hackensack University Medical Center with abdominal pains. The plane's pilot was admitted to the hospital for evaluation in the afternoon, a spokeswoman said.
The wreck shut down the small airport, one of the busiest in the nation for private-plane flights. It re-opened at 6:30 p.m., and traffic was allowed to return to Route 46 shortly before 11 p.m.
Investigators for the National Transportation Safety Board were studying the voice and data recorders from the jet, conducting interviews and tests, but had not yet determined a cause for the crash.
Almost immediately after the crash, local officials renewed calls for federal regulators to reduce traffic at Teterboro. And witnesses to the crash and its aftermath said they were amazed that nobody was killed.
"I think everybody at this point is extremely lucky and fortunate," said Acting Gov. Richard J. Codey of New Jersey, who flew over the scene in a helicopter.
With fewer than 50 residents, Teterboro, a borough in northern New Jersey, is too small to have its own police force or fire department. Angelo Roccamo, the assistant fire chief in neighboring Hasbrouck Heights, said he saw a plume of dark smoke as he neared the crash site and called for help from other communities.
When he arrived, the pilot was on the highway and said he was searching for the flight attendant.
Five of the passengers were employees of Kelso & Company, a private investment firm whose offices are on Park Avenue, and three men from other financial companies were with them, said George Matelich, a Kelso managing director. "Our people are fine," he said.
Mr. Contreras said he was walking down a hallway in the Strawberry building near an office where signs are made when he heard the crash. "When I heard the noise, I jumped back," he said. "It felt so close."
He opened a door directly in front of him. There, in the sign room, an office the size of a master bedroom, was the rounded, white nose cone of the private jet. His friend, Diego Vargas, 23, hovered near a destroyed computer, blood gushing from his head.
"I saw a lot of smoke," Mr. Contreras said. Other people in the building were screaming and pointing to jet fuel spewing from the plane.
That was when the pilot pushed open the plane's door and jumped to the ground, Mr. Contreras and other witnesses said. The copilot was visible through the cockpit window.
Flickering flames were also visible near the destroyed jet. Fire alarms screeched and a small crowd that had gathered at the crash site moved quickly away. One man, Claudio Gomez, 32, said that a woman who escaped from the plane was struggling to get past a snow bank, and he helped her.
Near the rear of the building, farthest away from the crash, about 60 employees in the wide-open warehouse were trying to figure out what to do. When the alarms sounded, panic replaced inquiry. "People were running," said one worker, Mario Recinos, 51. "They said there was an explosion. We didn't know what it was."
The building was quickly evacuated. Mr. Recinos found his wife, Vilma, 41, outside. She had been working in an office near the building's eastern corner at the time of the accident. They said the toll could have been worse. If the plane had hit the building an hour earlier, they said, the loading dock just to the left of the sign room would have been teeming with trucks and employees preparing for the day's first distribution run. "But they were already gone," Mrs. Recinos said. "Thank God."
At a news conference last night, Debbie Hersman, a spokeswoman for the National Transportation Safety Board, said a fuel sample was taken from the jet, and investigators were studying the 6,013-foot runway, which showed no signs of debris or fuel, only skid marks on the last 1,000 feet.
She said that the rear thrusters on the engine had been deployed to stop the plane. The board was still trying to determine, however, whether the brakes had been deployed.
As of last night, toxicology tests had not been performed on either the pilot or the co-pilot, she said, and neither man, both of whom were hospitalized, had been interviewed.
The cockpit voice recorder indicated that there had been a decision to discontinue the takeoff, Ms. Hersman said. The flight data recorder, which monitors the plane's operation, was recovered and was being taken to Washington.
"We will not rule anything out in this investigation," she said.
Fred Dressel, the mayor of Moonachie, where the southern end of the airport is situated, said he could not remember another plane emerging onto Route 46 in the last 40 years.
Local residents have become increasingly concerned about safety and noise as traffic at Teterboro has boomed. Representative Steven R. Rothman, a Democrat from Bergen County, has fought a proposal to make changes so that the airport could accommodate jets as big as a Boeing 737.
Yesterday, Mr. Rothman called on the Federal Aviation Administration to lighten Teterboro's load. In October, he said, there were 19,000 takeoffs and landings there, or more than 600 a day.
"Teterboro is operating at capacity and something needs to be done," Mr. Rothman said. "This is a matter of public safety and the quality of life for the people that live here."
The jet involved in yesterday's crash was one of 84 planes of a model built from 1980 to 1983 by Canadair, a company that was acquired by Montreal-based Bombardier Inc. in 1986.
Planes in the same Challenger series have been involved in two fatal crashes within the last three years. Mr. Ebersol was aboard a CL-601 jet in November when it crashed in Montrose, Colo., killing his 14-year-old son, Edward, and two crew members. In January 2002, five people were killed in a crash of a CL-604 jet in Birmingham, England.
British investigators concluded that wind, snow and ice on the wings and tail surfaces may have contributed to the Birmingham crash. The Colorado accident is still under investigation by the safety board, but investigators suspect that ice on the wings was the cause.
The temperature at Teterboro was below freezing, about 22 degrees, when the plane began to taxi at 7:20 a.m. Ms. Hersman declined to comment on whether ice or frost on the wings may have been a factor in the crash. But she said that a check of airport records showed that the plane was not de-iced, and that no request for de-icing been made. Three witnesses - two employees of Atlantic Aviation and a pilot in an adjacent plane - interviewed by investigators reported seeing no frost on the plane, she said.
Leo Knaapen, a spokesman for Bombardier Aerospace, called the Challenger series's safety record of six in-use accidents in 25 years "outstanding," and a corporate-aviation expert supported that view.
"Up through 2003, the accident rate for this airplane has been lower than the overall average for business jets," said the expert, Robert E. Breiling, an aviation consultant in Boca Raton, Fla. The CL-600 had 0.88 nonfatal accidents, and 0.18 fatal accidents, for every 100,000 flying hours, he said, compared with industrywide averages of 1.17 and 0.38.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/03/ny...=all&position=
Runaway Jet at Teterboro Rams Warehouse, Injuring 20
By PATRICK McGEEHAN and DAMIEN CAVE
A corporate jet shot off a runway yesterday as it was taking off from Teterboro Airport in New Jersey, ripped through a metal fence and barreled across a six-lane highway - striking cars, even peeling the roof off one - before coming to rest with its nose lodged in the brick wall of a warehouse. The authorities expressed amazement that nobody was killed, though more than 20 people were injured.
The jet slammed two parked cars into the wall of the warehouse, which partly collapsed and then caught fire. Other parked cars burst into flames. Terrified office workers bolted to safety while startled drivers outside, confronted with the surreal image of a broken plane sticking out of the building, screeched traffic to a stop on one of the region's busiest highways during the morning rush.
The plane caught fire but did not explode, even though it was carrying enough fuel for its flight to Chicago. All eight passengers, a group of financial executives, walked or crawled away from the smoking wreck in the building, which is the headquarters of the Strawberry clothing store chain.
There were many close calls. Rohan Foster, who was driving to work at a nearby factory, was stopped at a red light on Route 46 when his passenger shouted, "Watch out, the plane is coming."
The two men ducked, and the plane tore the roof off the green Toyota, then kept going, according to Mr. Foster's father, Lloyd, who related his son's account. Rohan Foster was admitted to Holy Name Hospital in Teaneck with broken facial bones. He and his passenger would have been killed instantly if they hadn't ducked, his father said.
"Thank God," he said. "It's a miracle."
After crossing Route 46, the jet brought terror and confusion to Strawberry's offices. "The plane was inside my friend's office," said Armando Contreras, 22, an employee who was in a hallway when the building shook with the plane's impact. "The pilot opened the door and ran."
The jet, a Canadair CL-600 Challenger, was part of the same series as the one that crashed in Colorado nine weeks ago, killing a son of Dick Ebersol, chairman of NBC Universal Sports, and two crew members.
Of the 20 people injured at Teterboro, including bystanders and firefighters who responded to the scene, four remained hospitalized last night. The most seriously injured was Mr. Foster's passenger, James, whose last name was not released. He was in critical condition at Hackensack University Medical Center with a head wound, a hospital official said.
The co-pilot suffered a broken leg and was in stable condition last night. One victim, a passenger, was admitted to Hackensack University Medical Center with abdominal pains. The plane's pilot was admitted to the hospital for evaluation in the afternoon, a spokeswoman said.
The wreck shut down the small airport, one of the busiest in the nation for private-plane flights. It re-opened at 6:30 p.m., and traffic was allowed to return to Route 46 shortly before 11 p.m.
Investigators for the National Transportation Safety Board were studying the voice and data recorders from the jet, conducting interviews and tests, but had not yet determined a cause for the crash.
Almost immediately after the crash, local officials renewed calls for federal regulators to reduce traffic at Teterboro. And witnesses to the crash and its aftermath said they were amazed that nobody was killed.
"I think everybody at this point is extremely lucky and fortunate," said Acting Gov. Richard J. Codey of New Jersey, who flew over the scene in a helicopter.
With fewer than 50 residents, Teterboro, a borough in northern New Jersey, is too small to have its own police force or fire department. Angelo Roccamo, the assistant fire chief in neighboring Hasbrouck Heights, said he saw a plume of dark smoke as he neared the crash site and called for help from other communities.
When he arrived, the pilot was on the highway and said he was searching for the flight attendant.
Five of the passengers were employees of Kelso & Company, a private investment firm whose offices are on Park Avenue, and three men from other financial companies were with them, said George Matelich, a Kelso managing director. "Our people are fine," he said.
Mr. Contreras said he was walking down a hallway in the Strawberry building near an office where signs are made when he heard the crash. "When I heard the noise, I jumped back," he said. "It felt so close."
He opened a door directly in front of him. There, in the sign room, an office the size of a master bedroom, was the rounded, white nose cone of the private jet. His friend, Diego Vargas, 23, hovered near a destroyed computer, blood gushing from his head.
"I saw a lot of smoke," Mr. Contreras said. Other people in the building were screaming and pointing to jet fuel spewing from the plane.
That was when the pilot pushed open the plane's door and jumped to the ground, Mr. Contreras and other witnesses said. The copilot was visible through the cockpit window.
Flickering flames were also visible near the destroyed jet. Fire alarms screeched and a small crowd that had gathered at the crash site moved quickly away. One man, Claudio Gomez, 32, said that a woman who escaped from the plane was struggling to get past a snow bank, and he helped her.
Near the rear of the building, farthest away from the crash, about 60 employees in the wide-open warehouse were trying to figure out what to do. When the alarms sounded, panic replaced inquiry. "People were running," said one worker, Mario Recinos, 51. "They said there was an explosion. We didn't know what it was."
The building was quickly evacuated. Mr. Recinos found his wife, Vilma, 41, outside. She had been working in an office near the building's eastern corner at the time of the accident. They said the toll could have been worse. If the plane had hit the building an hour earlier, they said, the loading dock just to the left of the sign room would have been teeming with trucks and employees preparing for the day's first distribution run. "But they were already gone," Mrs. Recinos said. "Thank God."
At a news conference last night, Debbie Hersman, a spokeswoman for the National Transportation Safety Board, said a fuel sample was taken from the jet, and investigators were studying the 6,013-foot runway, which showed no signs of debris or fuel, only skid marks on the last 1,000 feet.
She said that the rear thrusters on the engine had been deployed to stop the plane. The board was still trying to determine, however, whether the brakes had been deployed.
As of last night, toxicology tests had not been performed on either the pilot or the co-pilot, she said, and neither man, both of whom were hospitalized, had been interviewed.
The cockpit voice recorder indicated that there had been a decision to discontinue the takeoff, Ms. Hersman said. The flight data recorder, which monitors the plane's operation, was recovered and was being taken to Washington.
"We will not rule anything out in this investigation," she said.
Fred Dressel, the mayor of Moonachie, where the southern end of the airport is situated, said he could not remember another plane emerging onto Route 46 in the last 40 years.
Local residents have become increasingly concerned about safety and noise as traffic at Teterboro has boomed. Representative Steven R. Rothman, a Democrat from Bergen County, has fought a proposal to make changes so that the airport could accommodate jets as big as a Boeing 737.
Yesterday, Mr. Rothman called on the Federal Aviation Administration to lighten Teterboro's load. In October, he said, there were 19,000 takeoffs and landings there, or more than 600 a day.
"Teterboro is operating at capacity and something needs to be done," Mr. Rothman said. "This is a matter of public safety and the quality of life for the people that live here."
The jet involved in yesterday's crash was one of 84 planes of a model built from 1980 to 1983 by Canadair, a company that was acquired by Montreal-based Bombardier Inc. in 1986.
Planes in the same Challenger series have been involved in two fatal crashes within the last three years. Mr. Ebersol was aboard a CL-601 jet in November when it crashed in Montrose, Colo., killing his 14-year-old son, Edward, and two crew members. In January 2002, five people were killed in a crash of a CL-604 jet in Birmingham, England.
British investigators concluded that wind, snow and ice on the wings and tail surfaces may have contributed to the Birmingham crash. The Colorado accident is still under investigation by the safety board, but investigators suspect that ice on the wings was the cause.
The temperature at Teterboro was below freezing, about 22 degrees, when the plane began to taxi at 7:20 a.m. Ms. Hersman declined to comment on whether ice or frost on the wings may have been a factor in the crash. But she said that a check of airport records showed that the plane was not de-iced, and that no request for de-icing been made. Three witnesses - two employees of Atlantic Aviation and a pilot in an adjacent plane - interviewed by investigators reported seeing no frost on the plane, she said.
Leo Knaapen, a spokesman for Bombardier Aerospace, called the Challenger series's safety record of six in-use accidents in 25 years "outstanding," and a corporate-aviation expert supported that view.
"Up through 2003, the accident rate for this airplane has been lower than the overall average for business jets," said the expert, Robert E. Breiling, an aviation consultant in Boca Raton, Fla. The CL-600 had 0.88 nonfatal accidents, and 0.18 fatal accidents, for every 100,000 flying hours, he said, compared with industrywide averages of 1.17 and 0.38.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/03/ny...=all&position=
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RESA, here's an aerial photo (dated 1995) which shows the area: Terraserver link
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Reading the above, one would get the impression the Skipper made a run for it leaving the F/O (with the broken leg) to fend for himself! I trust this was NOT the case.
Claudio Gomez, 32, who works in a warehouse next to the Strawberry building, was unloading light bulbs when the plane crashed. He rushed to the emergency exit.
"The pilot stumbled out through the flames and said, 'I have to take care of my passengers and crew,'" the worker said. "The pilot was very disoriented. He kept asking for passengers. He said he did the best he could. He said he didn't get enough lift."
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When you look at the aerial photograph taken in 1995 you only just start to comprehend how huge General Aviation is in the States and why AOPA there has such a great influence on decisions relating to aviation.
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At the risk of being accused of being a spotter... twenty years ago when selling solvents in the local area I would buy a sandwich and park at the end of runway 6 (or alternatively, the beginning of 24) and watch the aircraft come and go. It was the best location for spottting...er, watching. While it's not 30 feet to the building across the street, it is pretty darn close! I remember two things- you were close to the jets/turboprops, that's what came and went mostly during the work week, and there were lots of 'em! It certainly was a pleasant way to spend one's lunch.
Certainly glad no one was killed in this incident. My thoughts are with the crew.
Certainly glad no one was killed in this incident. My thoughts are with the crew.
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Heard on radio here in Ireland this morning that one of the passengers, an Irishman Rory O'Connor whose father managed the famous Ashford Castle for many years also escaped from the twin towers on Sept 11. Quite a story! Think I'll stick to him.
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The National Transportation Safety Board will hold a
briefing this evening at 9:00 p.m., EDT, to update the media
on the investigation into the accident involving a corporate
jet aircraft, a Canadair CL-600, at Teterboro Airport in New
Jersey.
Deborah Hersman, the NTSB Member on scene, will conduct the
briefing.
The briefing will be held at the Hilton Hasbrouck Heights
(Salon C), 650 Terrace Avenue, Hasbrouck, NJ.
This will be the only media briefing today.
briefing this evening at 9:00 p.m., EDT, to update the media
on the investigation into the accident involving a corporate
jet aircraft, a Canadair CL-600, at Teterboro Airport in New
Jersey.
Deborah Hersman, the NTSB Member on scene, will conduct the
briefing.
The briefing will be held at the Hilton Hasbrouck Heights
(Salon C), 650 Terrace Avenue, Hasbrouck, NJ.
This will be the only media briefing today.
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Update
I happen to live 15 miles south of the airport. The distance between the end of the runway and the fence might be 100 feet tops. From there, you run into route 46, one of the busiest state roads in Jersey. It's a miracle the lights were red yesterday because this plane would have taken out many more cars on this 6 lane highway.
The most serious injured is the passenger in the car that had it's roof sheared off. He has head injuries that are untreatable according to the doctors. In an interview last night with the driver's father, the driver told him the aforementioned passenger told him to duck as he saw the plane coming for them out of his peripheral vision. What a nightmare.
The investigators are looking at icing. They already know from the CVR that one of the pilots tried to abort the TO but that's all they know. no reason for aborting the TO was stated on the CVR. If my car was any indication I had to scrape off a light coat of frost yesterday morning, but not ice by any means. Anybody know if the plane was stationed at Teterboro overnight? With a 7:00am take-off, I pretty much imagine it had to be.
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The most serious injured is the passenger in the car that had it's roof sheared off. He has head injuries that are untreatable according to the doctors. In an interview last night with the driver's father, the driver told him the aforementioned passenger told him to duck as he saw the plane coming for them out of his peripheral vision. What a nightmare.
The investigators are looking at icing. They already know from the CVR that one of the pilots tried to abort the TO but that's all they know. no reason for aborting the TO was stated on the CVR. If my car was any indication I had to scrape off a light coat of frost yesterday morning, but not ice by any means. Anybody know if the plane was stationed at Teterboro overnight? With a 7:00am take-off, I pretty much imagine it had to be.
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from the Washington Post:
The plane yesterday was carrying five employees and three associates of New York investment firm Kelso & Co., which had hired the jet to fly to Chicago's Midway Airport. The plane was built in 1980 by Canadair, owned by Dallas-based DDH Aviation and leased by Fort Lauderdale, Fla.-based charter operator Platinum Jet Management. Platinum Jet did not return phone calls yesterday.
The plane yesterday was carrying five employees and three associates of New York investment firm Kelso & Co., which had hired the jet to fly to Chicago's Midway Airport. The plane was built in 1980 by Canadair, owned by Dallas-based DDH Aviation and leased by Fort Lauderdale, Fla.-based charter operator Platinum Jet Management. Platinum Jet did not return phone calls yesterday.
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>>Based on posts in this thread, it seems to be a foregone conclusion that icing caused this........do we know that for a fact??? <<
Well, certainly an obvious early suspect, how probable depends on whom you ask:
"...Bill Waldock, aviation safety professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Arizona, said it's unlikely that icing would be a factor if the temperature was 22 degrees. "
http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/inde...5550264311.xml
"...A 16-member team from the National Transportation Safety Board was examining possible causes, including whether ice formed on the wings or tail of the Bombardier Canadair Challenger CL-600, NTSB spokesman Keith Holloway said. Ice can harm a plane's aerodynamics.
'That's definitely one of the issues we are looking at,' Holloway said. "
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBGS5HFR4E.html
Well, certainly an obvious early suspect, how probable depends on whom you ask:
"...Bill Waldock, aviation safety professor at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Arizona, said it's unlikely that icing would be a factor if the temperature was 22 degrees. "
http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/inde...5550264311.xml
"...A 16-member team from the National Transportation Safety Board was examining possible causes, including whether ice formed on the wings or tail of the Bombardier Canadair Challenger CL-600, NTSB spokesman Keith Holloway said. Ice can harm a plane's aerodynamics.
'That's definitely one of the issues we are looking at,' Holloway said. "
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBGS5HFR4E.html
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>"...Bill Waldock, aviation safety professor >at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in >Arizona, said it's unlikely that icing would >be a factor if the temperature was 22 >degrees. "
That statement proves that he has little knowledge in this field if true. Hopefully just a misquote, otherwise back to the books for him.
That statement proves that he has little knowledge in this field if true. Hopefully just a misquote, otherwise back to the books for him.
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It's a very simple concept. DON'T ATTEMPT A TAKEOFF IF THERE IS ANY CONTAMINATION ON YOUR WINGS!! This basic idea applies to ANY aircraft, period.
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From Aviation Interrnational News...
Accident Challenger Parked Overnight on Ramp
According to Ken Forester, Jr., CEO of Million Air Teterboro, the chartered Challenger 600 (N370V) involved in yesterday morning’s takeoff crash at Teterboro Airport, N.J., arrived at the airfield at approximately midnight the night before the accident and stayed on the ramp until departure the next morning. Million Air Teterboro fueled the aircraft and provided catering but no other services, according to Forester. A spokeswoman for Atlantic Aviation said the Challenger taxied from Million Air to the Atlantic terminal at about 6:15 a.m.—about an hour before the accident–to pick up eight passengers and fly them to Midway Airport, Chicago. The passengers, none of whom was injured, included five employees of New York investment firm Kelso & Co. and three other business associates. The aircraft went off the end of Runway 6 during its unsuccessful takeoff roll, through the airport’s perimeter fence, across a six-lane highway and hit at least two cars, coming to a stop after its forward fuselage penetrated a warehouse wall. One pilot was seriously hurt with broken bones, and a person in one of the cars struck by the aircraft was critically injured. The other pilot and the flight attendant were not seriously hurt. The NTSB’s investigator in charge said the CVR indicated that there was a decision to “discontinue the takeoff” and the thrust reversers were deployed. Three witnesses, including two employees of Atlantic Aviation and a pilot of another airplane, reported seeing no frost on the Challenger, according to the investigator. Weather at the time of the accident was 10 miles visibility, clear sky and temperature of 22 degrees F.
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Accident occurred approximately 1230z
Accident Challenger Parked Overnight on Ramp
According to Ken Forester, Jr., CEO of Million Air Teterboro, the chartered Challenger 600 (N370V) involved in yesterday morning’s takeoff crash at Teterboro Airport, N.J., arrived at the airfield at approximately midnight the night before the accident and stayed on the ramp until departure the next morning. Million Air Teterboro fueled the aircraft and provided catering but no other services, according to Forester. A spokeswoman for Atlantic Aviation said the Challenger taxied from Million Air to the Atlantic terminal at about 6:15 a.m.—about an hour before the accident–to pick up eight passengers and fly them to Midway Airport, Chicago. The passengers, none of whom was injured, included five employees of New York investment firm Kelso & Co. and three other business associates. The aircraft went off the end of Runway 6 during its unsuccessful takeoff roll, through the airport’s perimeter fence, across a six-lane highway and hit at least two cars, coming to a stop after its forward fuselage penetrated a warehouse wall. One pilot was seriously hurt with broken bones, and a person in one of the cars struck by the aircraft was critically injured. The other pilot and the flight attendant were not seriously hurt. The NTSB’s investigator in charge said the CVR indicated that there was a decision to “discontinue the takeoff” and the thrust reversers were deployed. Three witnesses, including two employees of Atlantic Aviation and a pilot of another airplane, reported seeing no frost on the Challenger, according to the investigator. Weather at the time of the accident was 10 miles visibility, clear sky and temperature of 22 degrees F.
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Accident occurred approximately 1230z
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>>Don't think Uncle Boeing totally agrees on that statement. At least the 737NG is certified for takeoff, with certain parts of the upper wingsurface covered by a thin layer of rimefrost.<<
Yep, and in several of the Boeing AFM's you can have up to 3mm frost from cold fuel on the underside of the wing as well.
Of course, the Boeings have leading edge devices which the Canadair's, DC-8's and DC-9-10's don't have.
Quoting from the NTSB advisory:
"...Accident history shows that nonslatted, turbojet, transport-category airplanes have been involved in a disproportionate number of takeoff accidents where undetected upper wing ice contamination has been cited as the probable cause or sole contributing factor."
Yep, and in several of the Boeing AFM's you can have up to 3mm frost from cold fuel on the underside of the wing as well.
Of course, the Boeings have leading edge devices which the Canadair's, DC-8's and DC-9-10's don't have.
Quoting from the NTSB advisory:
"...Accident history shows that nonslatted, turbojet, transport-category airplanes have been involved in a disproportionate number of takeoff accidents where undetected upper wing ice contamination has been cited as the probable cause or sole contributing factor."