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Old 22nd Jan 2005, 16:15
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The 1st major storm of the season is just starting to get rolling. Amounts from Newark to Boston are expected between 12 and 30 inches. Should be pushing out by noon tomorrow. Don't think too many people or planes will be coming here the next couple of days if they haven't already left already.

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Old 22nd Jan 2005, 16:26
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Sitting in the Manhattan Sheraton right now looking at the snow falling wondering whether we'll be departing tonight. 2300hrs scheduled departure time, it's now 1230hrs local, so plenty of time for the snow to pile up looking at the accumulation already!

Oh well, another night in the Big Apple....
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Isn't it remarkable, how in the UK when the first fall of snow comes, we flagellate ourselves because everything has come to a halt.
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Old 22nd Jan 2005, 17:10
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Moving that snow

What kind of snow removal equipment do they use in the North East US Maybe its time to upgrade some things.

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Old 22nd Jan 2005, 17:23
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Big stuff - conga lines - blowers.

Doesn't look too bad so far.

http://www.earthcam.com/cams/newyork...vecanonts.html
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Looks like this is going to be quite a storm!!

I've just had a quick look at the BAA Arrivals/Departures website and Virgin, BA, United and American all have ''Please Contact your airline'' next to all departures to Newark, Boston and JFK.

Does this mean that LHR currently has AA/UA aicraft that have no where to go?? The flights all arrived from the NE USA during the morning but it seems as though they can't get back!

Be interesting to hear from anyone who works at LHR as to what is happening to these A/C. Between the 4 airlines mentioned 8 flights seem to be going no-where!

I take it its just a case of park them on a remote stand and wait for the weather to clear??

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Old 22nd Jan 2005, 19:32
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Lou Scannon - but we do it when about 1 to 2 inches falls, not 12 or more
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Someone landing 4R has just went off the runway, and one of the controllers has said 'closing the airport down'
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Old 22nd Jan 2005, 20:22
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True

Planes now diverting as far away as Chicago and Atlanta... some 800 miles away. Just heard the 747 that went off the runway will be there for hours. Weather only expected to intensify.

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Old 22nd Jan 2005, 21:38
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not a great time to head for KBOS

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAUNTON MA
336 PM EST SAT JAN 22 2005

MAZ007-015-016-019-231100-
EASTERN ESSEX MA-SUFFOLK MA-EASTERN NORFOLK MA-EASTERN PLYMOUTH MA-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...GLOUCESTER...BOSTON...QUINCY...PLYMOUTH
336 PM EST SAT JAN 22 2005

...BLIZZARD WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EST SUNDAY...
...COASTAL FLOOD WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM EST TO 1 PM EST
SUNDAY...

.TONIGHT...SNOW...HEAVY AT TIMES WITH BLIZZARD CONDITIONS. SNOW
ACCUMULATION OF 12 TO 16 INCHES BY MORNING. WINDY. NOT AS COLD
WITH LOWS AROUND 15. NORTH WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH...BECOMING NORTHEAST
LATER THIS EVENING AND INCREASING TO 20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO
45 MPH.
.SUNDAY...SNOW...HEAVY AT TIMES IN THE MORNING WITH BLIZZARD
CONDITIONS...THEN TAPERING OFF TO FLURRIES LATE IN THE DAY.
TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OF 18 TO 26 INCHES. COASTAL FLOODING
LIKELY DURING THE MORNING HIGH TIDE. VERY WINDY WITH HIGHS AROUND
20. NORTH WINDS 30 TO 40 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 MPH.
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Old 22nd Jan 2005, 22:15
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The Philadelphia Airport is closed.
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Unhappy Pretty nasty!

Not so nice on the Eastern seaboard............

METAR - Boston

METAR KBOS 230054Z 09020G27KT 1/2SM R04R/3000V4500FT SN BLSN FZFG BKN003 OVC011 M04/M06 A2993 RMK AO2 PK WND 09027/0047 SLP134 P0002 T10391056=

METAR KBOS 222354Z 09019KT 1/2SM R04R/2800V5500FT SN BLSN FZFG BKN005 OVC012 M05/M07 A2996 RMK AO2 PK WND 08026/2339 WSHFT 2304 PRESFR SLP145 P0001 60004 T10501067 11050 21111 58058=

TAF
KBOS 222340Z 230024 03012KT 1/2SM SN FZFG VV004 FM0300 04020G32KT 3/4SM -SN BR VV005 FM0500 04025G40KT 1/4SM +SN BLSN FZFG VV001 FM0900 03030G45KT 1/2SM SN BLSN FZFG VV003 FM1500 36028G45KT 3/4SM -SN BLSN OVC006 FM1800 34030G48KT 2SM -SN BLSN BKN008 OVC025 FM2100 34025G40KT 5SM -SN BLSN OVC025=

KBOS 230003Z 230024 09018G28KT 1/2SM SN BLSN FZFG VV005 FM0300 06020G32KT 3/4SM -SN BR VV005 FM0500 04025G40KT 1/4SM +SN BLSN FZFG VV001 FM0900 03030G45KT 1/2SM SN BLSN FZFG VV003 FM1500 36028G45KT 3/4SM -SN BLSN OVC006 FM1800 34030G48KT 2SM -SN BLSN BKN008 OVC025 FM2100 34025G40KT 5SM -SN BLSN OVC025=

John F Kennedy

METAR KJFK 230051Z 01010KT 1/4SM SN FZFG VV005 M03/M03 A2962 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 SLP031 SNINCR 1/7 P0007 T10281033 $=
METAR KJFK 222351Z 03011KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV002 M03/M04 A2968 RMK AO2 PRESFR SLP049 SNINCR 1/6 931058 4/006 P0008 60039 T10281039 11028 21078 56066 $=

TAF
KJFK 222342Z 230024 05018KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV002 FM0500 02024G35KT 1/2SM -SN BLSN OVC007 FM0900 35030G45KT 1/2SM SN BLSN FG OVC002 FM1600 35028G39KT 1SM -SN BLSN BR OVC007 FM2100 33025G36KT P6SM BKN025=

KJFK 222342Z 230024 05018KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV002 FM0500 02024G35KT 1/2SM -SN BLSN OVC007 FM0900 35030G45KT 1/2SM SN BLSN FG OVC002 FM1600 35028G39KT 1SM -SN BLSN BR OVC007 FM2100 33025G36KT P6SM BKN025=
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KBOS Closed

Due to SNOW, the General Edward Lawrence Logan International Airport (BOS) was closed as of Jan 23 at 05:30 AM EST. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is not known.

AIRPORT STATUS INFORMATION
provided by the FAA's Air Traffic Control System Command Center

For those that are interested..

-GC

Whoops some more popped up.

Due to WX/SNOW REMOVAL, the Bradley International Airport (BDL) was closed as of Jan 22 at 07:10 PM EST. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is not known.

Due to SNOW, the Binghamton Regional/Edwin A Link Field Airport (BGM) was closed as of Jan 22 at 08:23 PM EST. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is not known.

Due to SNOW, the General Edward Lawrence Logan International Airport (BOS) was closed as of Jan 23 at 05:30 AM EST. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is not known.

Due to SNOW, the Westchester Co Airport (HPN) was closed as of Jan 22 at 08:00 PM EST. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is not known.

-CG
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Old 23rd Jan 2005, 11:29
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5milesbaby:

True, but proportionately neither side of the Atlantic is ever ready for the first heavy snow. I can remember when Kennedy was down to just one de-icing truck on one occasion.

04R: Isn't that the short one one that finishes up in the canal? I can remember the SAS DC10 that was parked there for so long it became known as the longboat.
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Old 23rd Jan 2005, 12:32
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Major airports close.

Its quite interesting how they close all the airports as soon as some snow is falling. Here in the land of snow that is not an option just a challenge for the snowteams which they ALWAYS take care of.

Of course there will be delays as usual but the airports stay open. Well have to go now duty starts in 2 hours and last night we got 10+ inches of snow so only thing that will be longer is the drive to the airport

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Old 23rd Jan 2005, 13:31
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Exclamation

The weather was also very on time. The news said that the wx was expected to hit PHL around 10. When we pushed back out of PHL around 10 we noticed the first snow flakes and 10 minutes later the viz dropped considerebly. I was glad to get out.
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Old 23rd Jan 2005, 15:38
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All over for the most part

It's 11:00am Eastern Time and the snow has stopped and the sun is out and Mrs. NS and myself just finished shovelling 14 inches of the white stuff. Still the occasional gust to 40 mph but for the most part, that's it. LGA, JFK and EWR all fully operational with one minor snag....there are no planes to fly the passengers out as they all diverted last night.

Things should only improve as the day goes on, but from what I hear, Boston is still in the middle of the storm and will be until late afternoon.

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Old 23rd Jan 2005, 17:15
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NS,
just because the airport is open doesn't mean there are any gates avialable yet.

They push the snow from one gate to the next, get about half of them open that way, then they bring in those huge snow melt machines and frontloaders and start melting the piles, and slowly get the rest of the gates open. Could take a couple of days for full capacity... I got a trip out of Newark tonight so when I get back tomorrow, I will pass my observations...

Cheers
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Old 24th Jan 2005, 04:21
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Lou S: at least you can find lots of good cuisine and beer, if the pubs etc are open, and maybe have a nice hike or run thru Central park. Glad now that my company dumped some unrequested vacation days in Jan. Much of the flying public somehow assumes that even with weather, the delicate hub and spoke system flights will operate on schedule. Even middle-aged adults. Never ceases to amaze me. Many of these should be invited to the Jerry Springer show (stage).

At Newark a 747 slid off? Let's hope that the crew asked for the latest braking action report (and made by a transport jet-never trust turboprop reports, unless bad) before they landed-was there some clear ice or just snow on runway 4R? Any chemical treatment? Can't imagine they they were the first landing in quite a while.

Wino: that A-300 has a really nice c0ckp1t layout and appearance. Saw it on FEDEX once, and am envious, depending on when duty hours begin.
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Old 24th Jan 2005, 06:07
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I am afraid the us doesnt understand about braking action ,they use landing aircraft to determine that. Also remember departing
den a few years ago, asking for the snow depth for the takeoff calculation and atc didnt have a clue and had no intention of finding out! thats what l call cowboy country
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