China Airlines taxi-way take-off!
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Hun, really?
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Date: 06/06/1994. .Location: Xi'an, China. .Airline: China Northwest Airlines. .Aircraft: Tupolev TU-154M. .Registration: B-2610. .Fatalities/No. Aboard: 160:160. .Details: The plane broke-up in flight 10 minutes after taking off. Auto-pilot induced oscillations caused the aircraft to shake violently. The autopilot yaw-channel was accidentally connected to the bank control and the bank-channel to the yaw controls.
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Date: 06/06/1994. .Location: Xi'an, China. .Airline: China Northwest Airlines. .Aircraft: Tupolev TU-154M. .Registration: B-2610. .Fatalities/No. Aboard: 160:160. .Details: The plane broke-up in flight 10 minutes after taking off. Auto-pilot induced oscillations caused the aircraft to shake violently. The autopilot yaw-channel was accidentally connected to the bank control and the bank-channel to the yaw controls.
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Think I'll stay away from them Tupolevs.. .After reading all the accident reports on this page, and reflecting on the former Aeroflot's bad accident record:
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
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Ive been told by people who flew the 154B that the generators could not be paralleled and Gen 1 supplied power to fuel pumps on left wing and Gen 3 powered pumps in right wing. If you lost a Gen you lost the fuel in that wing.
The other thing that impressed me was that the passengers did not have oxygen. Im not too sure this a bad idea. A lot of people have died because that system was on an airplane........... Discussion, Ladies and Gentlemen ?????
The other thing that impressed me was that the passengers did not have oxygen. Im not too sure this a bad idea. A lot of people have died because that system was on an airplane........... Discussion, Ladies and Gentlemen ?????
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Hobie,
I think Polzin is making a cry for help!, you see, he lives in some very rarefied air out west and doesn't always think straight due to lack of oxygen. So, being the nice guy you are, be gentle with the old guy!
I think Polzin is making a cry for help!, you see, he lives in some very rarefied air out west and doesn't always think straight due to lack of oxygen. So, being the nice guy you are, be gentle with the old guy!
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Individual oxygens masks are not mandatory ( or were not at the time the Tu154 was certified ) The SE210 ( Caravelle to the youngsters) also did not have individual O2 masks. The procedure in case decompression was to dive like a madman to 14.000 Ft. A couple of bottles with ONE mask each were avail to the FAs to give to the weak pax.... .I guess the same goes for the Tu 154 and probably a lot of other oldies...
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From the full report
Which is at the bottom of the link above
Without wishing to spark the usual Airbus-v-Boeing fisticuffs, why the hell would the NTSB wish to labour the point above. Are they saying 'Good old Boeing, bad boy Airbus'?
The aircraft operating manual for the Airbus did not contain a checklist requirement for the crew to verbalize and verify the runway in use before takeoff.
The aircraft operating manual for China Airlines Boeing 747-200 airplane fleet, under Normal Procedures, Taxi and Takeoff, has a section that reviews taxi routes, and the runway for departure. The procedure states, in part: "1. Before enter the runway: …To corroborate the following required visual reference is established: …the designation of the takeoff runway. 2. After enter the runway: …Make sure active runway marking are being checked as follows: threshold marking; runway designation marking by calling out the runway number; verify runway in use by localizer bearing or GPS coordinates; runway centerline marking; runway touchdown zone markings and fixed distance markings; runway lighting systems are as illuminated as expected.
The aircraft operating manual for China Airlines Boeing 747-200 airplane fleet, under Normal Procedures, Taxi and Takeoff, has a section that reviews taxi routes, and the runway for departure. The procedure states, in part: "1. Before enter the runway: …To corroborate the following required visual reference is established: …the designation of the takeoff runway. 2. After enter the runway: …Make sure active runway marking are being checked as follows: threshold marking; runway designation marking by calling out the runway number; verify runway in use by localizer bearing or GPS coordinates; runway centerline marking; runway touchdown zone markings and fixed distance markings; runway lighting systems are as illuminated as expected.
