AA 587 Final Report
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Jeez, the CVR makes for very sobering reading 
Seems as though there was much backchat during those 15 mins though, with very little concentration on the day ahead in many ways
Even when discussing the wake turbulence on the ground before rolling it was interspersed with 'chit-chat' ...
Very sad accident, and alot of A300 bashing going on too.
The plane has been flying (very) safely since 1969 , so it would appear that some of this is wholly unnecessary.
Seems as though there was much backchat during those 15 mins though, with very little concentration on the day ahead in many ways
Even when discussing the wake turbulence on the ground before rolling it was interspersed with 'chit-chat' ...
Very sad accident, and alot of A300 bashing going on too.
The plane has been flying (very) safely since 1969 , so it would appear that some of this is wholly unnecessary.
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Not a chance Green Guard, AA couldn't afford me...and besides, they would not listen anyway, as sadly, their minds are made arrogantly up, never mind the quite obvious facts.
Really gross mistakes made by AA crews, yet they seem quite unconcerned...and RRAAMJET is a prime example.
He apparently thinks they really are the best there is, sadly their rather substandard record factually proves otherwise.
IF they were a rather small charter carrier, it might be understandable, with lower cash flow, training takes a back seat to survival.
But, as the USA's largest trunk carrier, they consistantly fall flat on their collective faces, yet to hear their individual pilots tell it, they are the best.
Oddly enough, their collective record proves otherwise....altho they do indeed operate many hundreds of flights daily, other carriers have a much better safety record...Southwest for example, and these folks certainly are not a long-haul carrier by any means....many sectors/day.
As for the A300-605R in American Airlines fleet, they simply did not investigate the potential problems involved in operating the type, introduced a very poorly thought-out 'upset recovery procedure', and now want to place the blame squarely in the Airbus corner, claiming that said aircraft is a deficient design.
It simply will not wash, to any objective observer.
Really gross mistakes made by AA crews, yet they seem quite unconcerned...and RRAAMJET is a prime example.
He apparently thinks they really are the best there is, sadly their rather substandard record factually proves otherwise.
IF they were a rather small charter carrier, it might be understandable, with lower cash flow, training takes a back seat to survival.
But, as the USA's largest trunk carrier, they consistantly fall flat on their collective faces, yet to hear their individual pilots tell it, they are the best.
Oddly enough, their collective record proves otherwise....altho they do indeed operate many hundreds of flights daily, other carriers have a much better safety record...Southwest for example, and these folks certainly are not a long-haul carrier by any means....many sectors/day.
As for the A300-605R in American Airlines fleet, they simply did not investigate the potential problems involved in operating the type, introduced a very poorly thought-out 'upset recovery procedure', and now want to place the blame squarely in the Airbus corner, claiming that said aircraft is a deficient design.
It simply will not wash, to any objective observer.
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Will you guys just cut it out!!!!!!!
Take your bashing to private e-mails, please.
When I initiated this thread, I thought there would be an honest, intellectual, and professional exchange of information on 587. But, ............
Is this what PPRUNE has become?
Sigh.........
Take your bashing to private e-mails, please.
When I initiated this thread, I thought there would be an honest, intellectual, and professional exchange of information on 587. But, ............
Is this what PPRUNE has become?
Sigh.........
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Sorry, old duffer, but I can't recall a "...really gross mistake..." during my flying 
They wouldn't have let me fly the Queen if I had....
Concerned? You bet.
Still learning? All the time.
Still make crummy landings occasionally? Yup.
Having fun? I try to.
The sort of idiot who, with zero prior jet experience jumps straight into the left seat of a 707 with 32 training hours and arrogantly regails everyone about his superior flying skills, absolutely not.
(Apparently the airline was so great that it didn't trust promoting from within
)
"....there's nothing so becomes a man as....humility..." (Henry V.)
Some people never learn, blah blah
They wouldn't have let me fly the Queen if I had....
Concerned? You bet.
Still learning? All the time.
Still make crummy landings occasionally? Yup.
Having fun? I try to.
The sort of idiot who, with zero prior jet experience jumps straight into the left seat of a 707 with 32 training hours and arrogantly regails everyone about his superior flying skills, absolutely not.
(Apparently the airline was so great that it didn't trust promoting from within
)"....there's nothing so becomes a man as....humility..." (Henry V.)
Some people never learn, blah blah
