KLM off the runway at BCN?

[Vicky Pollard]

I should hope not!

[Boeing737]

> Them there slides were a lot of use... but if no-one was injured > whoīs to complain?

totally agree, well done to the crew.

[jettesen]

what exactly do you mean by them slides were a lot of use? Still a huge drop from the door to the ground, so slides were imperative in this situation

[hobie]

jettesen .... what would you estimate the drop to be ?

my guess - 8 to 9ft (min)

[RUDAS]

i was at bcn when it happened...total chaos in the terminal,with (inexplicably) gates being shuffled around without telling anyone,no airline representatives around or anything,and delays of around 3 hrs.Announcements only stated that there was a delay due to "airport technical problems",which could have meant computer systems,electricity or even a strike for all the pax knew...no info at all was given.I think,being a pilot,i was the only one in the terminal who knew that there was a situation by looking at the huge number of lights surrounding the acft which seemed to be 'parked' in a very odd spot (initially i guessed it may be a bomb scare/hijacking as it was isolated & there was so little info),although it only became clear what it was as we taxied out past the KLM.

interested to see what the investigation reveals...

[jettesen]

EXACTLY! not many people would be willing to jump 8 or 7 ft in a hurry after an emergency situation once shock has set in. People would be incredibly slow in evacuating without slides, and definately more injuries. what about children and OAP's getting out????

[foxile]

Seems 'TC is now back on her feet, sort of.... well, on crutches at least...


http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=282905


Foxile

[Ignition Override]

Just curious, but what were the winds and other weather conditions?

[Otterman]

some details.

This is what we know as off right now. I am not making a judgment here on what the cause is, that is for the investigators.

The aircraft had a bird strike shortly after take-off from Schiphol Airport. All indications were normal as far as the cockpit could judge. There was a consult with KLM maintenance and it was decided, since there were no indications of anything being abnormal, that the flight should proceed to Barcelona (its intended destination). At Barcelona a standard inspection would be made by an aircraft maintenance technician.

Upon landing it was not possible to remain on the runway using first normal techniques (using rudder), followed by the use of differential reverse and as a final resort the nose wheel steering system. The aircraft left the runway at around 100 knots. Remains of the bird have been found on the nose gear strut where it apparently damaged some important bits.

Regards O,

[hobie]

Does it really look a "Write-Off" as mentioned above

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=282905

[Vizcaya]

Otterman:

Remains of the bird have been found on the nose gear strut where it apparently damaged some important bits.

Whatīs that red stuff inside the left engine? Second bird strike in BCN maybe? Anyone got a clue?

Upon landing it was not possible to remain on the runway using first normal techniques (using rudder), followed by the use of differential reverse and as a final resort the nose wheel steering system. The aircraft left the runway at around 100 knots.

Pretty impressive to do all that in the few seconds it take to go from Vref to 100 kts.

All in all a bizarre incident. All that from one (?) bird srike on the nose gear? I canīt wait for the report to come out.

[YAK PILOT]

A colleague had a bird strike on the nose gear of his 737 resulting in steering problems. The bird had impacted and fouled at least one of the two exposed cables that route to the steering mechanism from the tiller on the flight deck.

For him it resulted in a tendancy to veer to one side but could be overcome with rudder and a large steering input.

[E. MORSE]

Differential braking is the only one effective sollution when nosewheelsteering is inop.

[murphyp]

in pic

http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file?i...sok=&photo_nr=

man

[IFixPlanes]

@Vizcaya

... Whatīs that red stuff inside the left engine? Second bird strike in BCN maybe? Anyone got a clue?

After a bird strike on an engine you find the remains behind the fan blades.

I think the engine pick up some dirt while scraping over the ground.

@ YAK PILOT
In reference to the posting of Otterman your speculation can make sense.

But finally we have to wait for the official investigation report.

Ingo

[Phoenix_X]

http://www.airwork.nl/bulletinboard/...0&pagenumber=3

It's all in Dutch, but the explanation is here on a picture. Scroll down a bit to a post by Diana with a photo from the air. You can clearly see what the red debries is.

[GearDown&Locked]

This photo gives another look at the incident.

[Vizcaya]

Thanks everyone for the pictures and the possible īred debrisī explanation!

Just one more question/observation from GearDown&Lockedīs picture posted above: doesnīt the rudder point the wrong way to keep the aircraft on the runway centerline?

[blackmail]

hello vizcaya,

no, in a previous (night) picture, you can clearly see the rudder in the centered position. without hydraulic pressure a x-wind from the right can blow the rudder to the left as shown in the picture you're referring to. anyway rudder authority is only 7° left/right of center for nosewheelsteering with the nosewheel tiller overriding the rudderpedals commands. during normal takeoffs & landings rudder aerodynamic authority is more than adequate for directional control, nosewheelsteering is used only at very low speeds.

i am indeed very curious to know what exactly happened. wouldn't be surpriced it might be a wake up call for everybody, manufacturer, authorities & aircrews alike. maybe murphy struck again? will we ever tame that bloke?


seems the plane had hydraulic problems before &/or after coming to a halt: emergency evacuation procedures call among other things to retract the speedbrakes but one of the pictures shows clearly not all ground & flight spoilers have retracted.

[Phoenix_X]

Mike Jenvey, the reason why I posted the link is because the thread specifically indicates NO DIRECT LINKS to the picture due to server load. Otherwise, I would have done so myself.

Maybe I should have stated that straightaway.