Olympic Airlines A340 military escort into STN ?
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Master W@nker
You are clearly talking out of your hoop, go away with your bag of chips and annoy the kindergarten forum.
Your "argument" is flawed and you cannot seriously say we do not need QRA cover for rogue airliners. It has nothing to do with "showing off", it is MoD policy, do you really think the guys and girls enjoy the enormous weight of responsibility placed on them?
Well said Flt Lt!!!
You are clearly talking out of your hoop, go away with your bag of chips and annoy the kindergarten forum.
Your "argument" is flawed and you cannot seriously say we do not need QRA cover for rogue airliners. It has nothing to do with "showing off", it is MoD policy, do you really think the guys and girls enjoy the enormous weight of responsibility placed on them?
Well said Flt Lt!!!
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On the subject of steps. Does anyone know if any UK Airport Fire Services have steps? A set of steps operated by the Fire Service would be very useful at Heathrow. At least then the necessary equipment is operated by people who are in the business of safety rather than a commercial organisation.
I guess that persuading HAL to buy steps for their Fire Service would be difficult as they would not get much use. Since it would take my company an age to get steps to an aircraft in distress at a remote part of the airfield, perhaps the Fire Service could use their own set to provide a faster response thereby returning the airfield to normal operations more quickly and thus saving HAL money.
Slightly off topic I know. Sorry.
G W-H
I guess that persuading HAL to buy steps for their Fire Service would be difficult as they would not get much use. Since it would take my company an age to get steps to an aircraft in distress at a remote part of the airfield, perhaps the Fire Service could use their own set to provide a faster response thereby returning the airfield to normal operations more quickly and thus saving HAL money.
Slightly off topic I know. Sorry.
G W-H
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Master Rocket Polisher,
AD crews are good, I'll admit, however clairvoyance is not an entry requirement, nor is it in the training syllabus. Tell me exactly how an attendant F3 crew are meant to know:
1. Exactly who is in control of the aircraft.
2. What their intentions are.
3. Whether or not a hijacker / potential 'shoe bomber' has been subdued / tied up / hooded / given the kicking they deserved by the cabin crew / pax.
If the attendant interceptor cannot determine the above, a controller on the ground looking at a radar return has even less of a chance.
Seems like you have an unfulfilled dream in there somewhere - either that or you're just an ignorant tw@t.
16B
AD crews are good, I'll admit, however clairvoyance is not an entry requirement, nor is it in the training syllabus. Tell me exactly how an attendant F3 crew are meant to know:
1. Exactly who is in control of the aircraft.
2. What their intentions are.
3. Whether or not a hijacker / potential 'shoe bomber' has been subdued / tied up / hooded / given the kicking they deserved by the cabin crew / pax.
If the attendant interceptor cannot determine the above, a controller on the ground looking at a radar return has even less of a chance.
Seems like you have an unfulfilled dream in there somewhere - either that or you're just an ignorant tw@t.
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16 Blades.
Well, who would know at any time whoīs in control of any jet?
Are you going to look and see if there is a turban visible through the cockpit windows. Why not follow us all? I was referring to problem NOT related to aircraft control. I canīt see how a bomb threat or a maniac all tied up and secured, justify the taxpayers money thrown at such a thing as an escort service.
Reading the personal ****load thrown at me for asking a simple question really shows the mental status of the military today.
Well, who would know at any time whoīs in control of any jet?
Are you going to look and see if there is a turban visible through the cockpit windows. Why not follow us all? I was referring to problem NOT related to aircraft control. I canīt see how a bomb threat or a maniac all tied up and secured, justify the taxpayers money thrown at such a thing as an escort service.
Reading the personal ****load thrown at me for asking a simple question really shows the mental status of the military today.
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It's a question of safety. Post 9/11, ANY threatened aircraft will be given an 'escort' in case the worst happens. Just because somebody calls in a bomb threat, are you going to take that as the sole and definitive threat to that aircraft? What if a 'subdued' hijacker / shoebomber managed to free himself and take control of the aircraft?
I do see your original point - yes, an escort wouldn't be much good to an ac that suddenly explodes mid-flight. But does it not make sense to provide an escort when something, ANYTHING suspect is happening? Perhaps a bomb would not bring the ac down, in which case I'm sure the crew would be glad of someone outside to give them a visual inspection.
I think you pissed people off by suggesting that the often difficult and dangerous job we do is nothing more than showboating in this case.
How would YOU like to be the poor sod who gets the order to shoot down an aircraft with 300+ POB? Please think about that before you denigrate our job.
In the spirint of good discussion, I have attempted to keep this post insult-free - I hope you read it as such.
16B
I do see your original point - yes, an escort wouldn't be much good to an ac that suddenly explodes mid-flight. But does it not make sense to provide an escort when something, ANYTHING suspect is happening? Perhaps a bomb would not bring the ac down, in which case I'm sure the crew would be glad of someone outside to give them a visual inspection.
I think you pissed people off by suggesting that the often difficult and dangerous job we do is nothing more than showboating in this case.
How would YOU like to be the poor sod who gets the order to shoot down an aircraft with 300+ POB? Please think about that before you denigrate our job.
In the spirint of good discussion, I have attempted to keep this post insult-free - I hope you read it as such.
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I agree with you about the quick reaction steps it sounds like a very good idea.
You ask the question " how do you know that the bomb is not in the slide?".
I have packed slides and the biggest problem that you have is getting the slide small enough to get into the box , this involves(with the bigger slides ) two or three days of withdrawing the air inside the slide with a vac pump.
The stowage in the aircraft is such that it would not be easy to hide a bomb inside without it being noticed by the cabincrew on there checks , no doubt someone here will tell us that you could hide a bomb in a but in my opinion there are far easyer and more descreet places for such a device to be hidden.
You ask the question " how do you know that the bomb is not in the slide?".
I have packed slides and the biggest problem that you have is getting the slide small enough to get into the box , this involves(with the bigger slides ) two or three days of withdrawing the air inside the slide with a vac pump.
The stowage in the aircraft is such that it would not be easy to hide a bomb inside without it being noticed by the cabincrew on there checks , no doubt someone here will tell us that you could hide a bomb in a but in my opinion there are far easyer and more descreet places for such a device to be hidden.
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MasterBates
Your original post had nothing to do with asking a "simple question" as you innocently claim, it was inflammatory and derisory towards AD crews involved with a QRA scramble and the RAF in general, do no therefore be surprised when you get a "****load" thrown back at you.
You were trying to do nothing more than highlight the huge chip on your shoulder regarding the military. If you have nothing sensible to say, then dont bother.
If you have a genuine "simple question" i suggest you refer it to 16blade who seems to know what (s)he is talking about. I suspect however you wont bother, instead you will just read through more threads looking for more opportunities to highlight how much of a MasterBate(r) you really are.
Your original post had nothing to do with asking a "simple question" as you innocently claim, it was inflammatory and derisory towards AD crews involved with a QRA scramble and the RAF in general, do no therefore be surprised when you get a "****load" thrown back at you.
You were trying to do nothing more than highlight the huge chip on your shoulder regarding the military. If you have nothing sensible to say, then dont bother.
If you have a genuine "simple question" i suggest you refer it to 16blade who seems to know what (s)he is talking about. I suspect however you wont bother, instead you will just read through more threads looking for more opportunities to highlight how much of a MasterBate(r) you really are.
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