B727 Captains Wanted by Rishworth
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A few years ago I looked at a Far Eastern contract that was being offered by 2 agencies; Rishworth was one and the other was from somewhere in Australia, sorry forgotten the name.
The contract from each was broadly the same except the Rishworth one paid about US$ 1500 to 2000 less.
I suspect the airline concerned paid the agencies roughly the same, but Rishworth took a larger cut.
Draw your own conclusions, but I'm not sure I'd knock on their door again. I'd always be left wondering......
The contract from each was broadly the same except the Rishworth one paid about US$ 1500 to 2000 less.
I suspect the airline concerned paid the agencies roughly the same, but Rishworth took a larger cut.
Draw your own conclusions, but I'm not sure I'd knock on their door again. I'd always be left wondering......
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Well, what is your point?
You should admit that salaries for any position are always have connection to average salary of the country in question.
There are examptions like foreign top managers etc who may in fact earn more in Dark Africa than in England.
Still if we are talking about $3800 take home per month in Indonesia, that's more than Garuda and Merpati (first and second biggest Indonesian airlines) are paying. Maybe something has changed in last 2 years, I've been there in 2002.
And for example F27 or Twinotter captain in private small Indonesian airline, who flying short sectors aross mountains and islands is paid less than $1500 per month. However they have a lot of pilots waiting opportunity to join them.
I'm not very familar with US market but I've heard that US regional airline pilots are getting about the same money (ca $60k), isn't it?
If you can get (or have) a better job then go for it. But there are hell a lot of pilots who happy to earn $3800 a month.
Well, what is your point?
You should admit that salaries for any position are always have connection to average salary of the country in question.
There are examptions like foreign top managers etc who may in fact earn more in Dark Africa than in England.
Still if we are talking about $3800 take home per month in Indonesia, that's more than Garuda and Merpati (first and second biggest Indonesian airlines) are paying. Maybe something has changed in last 2 years, I've been there in 2002.
And for example F27 or Twinotter captain in private small Indonesian airline, who flying short sectors aross mountains and islands is paid less than $1500 per month. However they have a lot of pilots waiting opportunity to join them.
I'm not very familar with US market but I've heard that US regional airline pilots are getting about the same money (ca $60k), isn't it?
If you can get (or have) a better job then go for it. But there are hell a lot of pilots who happy to earn $3800 a month.
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Stay well clear of Companies like Rishworth.
They recieve your CV, pass it on to the Company, issue a contract, and take your money. If you have any greivance, they will not lift a finger to help you, they have too much to lose.
A company in Asia has recruited 70 pilots through Rishworth.. Each for a years contract before they go on a local contract.
70 pilots x 12 months x Ave 2750 NZD a month = $2,300,000 NZD, all for forwarding your CV on to the Airline. I doubt Rishworth is getting all of that, Senior Airline Management gets their cut too.
Why would any reputable airline employ through an Agency, its just a way for corrupt management to get their cut without been caught.
They recieve your CV, pass it on to the Company, issue a contract, and take your money. If you have any greivance, they will not lift a finger to help you, they have too much to lose.
A company in Asia has recruited 70 pilots through Rishworth.. Each for a years contract before they go on a local contract.
70 pilots x 12 months x Ave 2750 NZD a month = $2,300,000 NZD, all for forwarding your CV on to the Airline. I doubt Rishworth is getting all of that, Senior Airline Management gets their cut too.
Why would any reputable airline employ through an Agency, its just a way for corrupt management to get their cut without been caught.
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For those that are willing to fly the ole threeholer on that salary, I say: Go for it boys. You won't know what to do with all that money...
I am just qurious how many of you guys aswering this post are actually current&qualified in the B727. I am and won't work for that salary.
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I am just qurious how many of you guys aswering this post are actually current&qualified in the B727. I am and won't work for that salary.
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It took 2 pages but like it or not, 411A has once again nailed it.
The glory days are gone. Memories of the once huge ( always unjustifiably so in the case of what most refer to as the "A" scale days ) salaries, are just memories.
This discussion when revisited in 10 years from now will make the 3 holer salary look like a King's ransom.
The glory days are gone. Memories of the once huge ( always unjustifiably so in the case of what most refer to as the "A" scale days ) salaries, are just memories.
This discussion when revisited in 10 years from now will make the 3 holer salary look like a King's ransom.
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Well I guess we could learn to kick a bag of wind around a field for 90 minutes, it can't be difficult because even David Beckam can do it, then we could command a £zillion a week!! and would not have to fly for some third world outfit for peanuts!!
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Better? Me?
1. Nope I do not think I am worth more than others. I just wont work for that money.
2. B727 drivers are no longer dime in a dozen. Try to find B727 people in the first world that make less than the salary offered my Rishworth and are willing to leave their jobs. Even Companies like Ameristar etc in US pay their Captains more.
3. Rule of thumb: Pay peanuts, get monkies!!!
4. Good old times are over, still that does not mean that pilots have to accept all the BS that is dished out for us.
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2. B727 drivers are no longer dime in a dozen. Try to find B727 people in the first world that make less than the salary offered my Rishworth and are willing to leave their jobs. Even Companies like Ameristar etc in US pay their Captains more.
3. Rule of thumb: Pay peanuts, get monkies!!!
4. Good old times are over, still that does not mean that pilots have to accept all the BS that is dished out for us.
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Yes and that agency also or certainly was recruiting for Pacific Blue.
Now if the money that is reputed to "stick" to their fingers, went to the pilots, then it would be a reasonable deal, even for NZ.
Not knocking NZ, but the cost of living is slightly less than eg. some countries in Europe.
Now if the money that is reputed to "stick" to their fingers, went to the pilots, then it would be a reasonable deal, even for NZ.
Not knocking NZ, but the cost of living is slightly less than eg. some countries in Europe.
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Really some of you guys ought to just change what you do for a living, you all think that the world owes you a living and that you deserve more than anyone else. The hard truth is that salaries are not what they were. No one complained a few years ago when salaries were high. All this talk of how much financial and emotional work went into getting a licence............stop crying, either take the job at 3800usd or DONT
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Hey Fedup, I agree with you to a point but there's taking the p*ss and taking the p*ss!
Coop & Taking the p*ss bear
Just for info..........Flying the 72 through Airline Appointments for Swiftair/DHL was paying (F/E F/O) around £4800 per month for about 80 hours flying.
Captains on about £6k+
Free hotac and generous allowance.
Three weeks on two off.
Payed flights home.
Who says flying the old and bold have to put up with toy town money.
A contract is designed to be short so the money should reflect that.
Coop & $$$$ Bear
Coop & Taking the p*ss bear
Just for info..........Flying the 72 through Airline Appointments for Swiftair/DHL was paying (F/E F/O) around £4800 per month for about 80 hours flying.
Captains on about £6k+
Free hotac and generous allowance.
Three weeks on two off.
Payed flights home.
Who says flying the old and bold have to put up with toy town money.
A contract is designed to be short so the money should reflect that.
Coop & $$$$ Bear
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Rishworth absolute 
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Few years ago was offered an MD80 job through those pcks --- USD3500 per mth, told them I wouldn't even think about it unless it was $5000 + per diem.
Negoitiated my own contract with another firm. Now on much more than Rishworth offer + Per Diem + Accomodation + Transport.
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ts!Few years ago was offered an MD80 job through those p
cks --- USD3500 per mth, told them I wouldn't even think about it unless it was $5000 + per diem.Negoitiated my own contract with another firm. Now on much more than Rishworth offer + Per Diem + Accomodation + Transport.
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I know of a guy who went to the states and purchased a wide body boeing endorsement to enable themselves to apply for a job in the far east with an airline that used the services of this "mob".
After successfully gaining employment through this agency with this airline he was then "bonded" by Rishworths even though he had purchased through his own finances the endorsement.(work that out)
Having not flown the aircraft he was then required to do ccts which cost him thousands of USD again out of his own pocket.
Whilst all of this was going on Rishworths were taking a portion of his salary as a scalping fee.Thankfully this guy got a job with a reputable airline .Bye Bye Dishworths
After successfully gaining employment through this agency with this airline he was then "bonded" by Rishworths even though he had purchased through his own finances the endorsement.(work that out)
Having not flown the aircraft he was then required to do ccts which cost him thousands of USD again out of his own pocket.
Whilst all of this was going on Rishworths were taking a portion of his salary as a scalping fee.Thankfully this guy got a job with a reputable airline .Bye Bye Dishworths
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Having spent almost my whole flying career to date as a contract pilot (but never employed by Rishworth) I have a few observations to make...
1) If you register with an agency (there is of course no obligation to do so), you will get contacted by them for all positions they feel are relevant to you (even the sh e ones). So there is no point getting your knickers in a twist if you don't like what they have to offer...just say NO. If you do not wish to be contacted by them at all then tell them so.
2) The pilot community is subject to the same laws of supply and demand as any other profession. Pay rates/conditions should reflect this...if they don't then the Airline will not find enough crews to fly their aeroplanes. To illustrate this point I have just had to pay a car mechanic £400 for half a day's work!!! For example differences between average pay rates in JAR states and the rest of the ICAO community can be substantial (rightly so). This is also influenced by the higher cost of living in Europe.
3) In my experience, 'good' agencies will work hard to negotiate decent pay rates. After all if they do not attract the required candidates then they don't make any money at all, so taking a bigger 'cut' does not actually make any sense. So if Rishworth are doing this they are not very smart. The agency take their fee and that is that. If you dont like the figure they offer (whatever their cut) then dont sign the contract.
4) Iakklat...surely the very fact that this guy got a job with a reputable airline after paying for his training (and by circuits I presume you mean base check) justifies this expense? Why should an airline type rate, carry out a base check and complete line training for a contractor with no experience on type? I was fortunate enough to have a type rating provided but know full well that if I were looking career advancement today, investing in a type rating would be something that I would seriously have to consider. I of course presume that Rishworth made him fully aware of the terms and expected expenditure before he started his training.
Better the devil you know.
1) If you register with an agency (there is of course no obligation to do so), you will get contacted by them for all positions they feel are relevant to you (even the sh
e ones). So there is no point getting your knickers in a twist if you don't like what they have to offer...just say NO. If you do not wish to be contacted by them at all then tell them so. 2) The pilot community is subject to the same laws of supply and demand as any other profession. Pay rates/conditions should reflect this...if they don't then the Airline will not find enough crews to fly their aeroplanes. To illustrate this point I have just had to pay a car mechanic £400 for half a day's work!!! For example differences between average pay rates in JAR states and the rest of the ICAO community can be substantial (rightly so). This is also influenced by the higher cost of living in Europe.
3) In my experience, 'good' agencies will work hard to negotiate decent pay rates. After all if they do not attract the required candidates then they don't make any money at all, so taking a bigger 'cut' does not actually make any sense. So if Rishworth are doing this they are not very smart. The agency take their fee and that is that. If you dont like the figure they offer (whatever their cut) then dont sign the contract.
4) Iakklat...surely the very fact that this guy got a job with a reputable airline after paying for his training (and by circuits I presume you mean base check) justifies this expense? Why should an airline type rate, carry out a base check and complete line training for a contractor with no experience on type? I was fortunate enough to have a type rating provided but know full well that if I were looking career advancement today, investing in a type rating would be something that I would seriously have to consider. I of course presume that Rishworth made him fully aware of the terms and expected expenditure before he started his training.
Better the devil you know.