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Flight Safety:
As I read the English translation of the ITAR-TASS report, the answers to your questions are:
Were the recorders working sometime during the flights, and did they record data during the flights?
A. Yes
Were the recorders stopped manually sometime before the end of the flights?
A. Apparently not.
Were the recorders stopped during inflight breakups?
A. Yes, and perhaps slightly before. The TU-154 almost certainly broke up at altitude. I did not post a separate Pravda story which quite graphically described the condition of bodies recovered from within part of the TU-154 fuselage. But the description would be consistent with trauma primarily caused by a high spped airstream hitting the body. (Bodies that landed apart from the fuselage seem to have suffered less trauma.) The TU-134 wreckage debris field is apparently much smaller than for the TU-134, so this flight may not have broken up at high altitude.
Were the recorders damaged by the crashes, thus making data difficult or impossible to recover
A. Yes, to damage to all five recorders (three on the TU-154, and two on the TU-134.) Yes, to the difficulty or recovery. A conditional No regarding the impossibility of data recovery.
As I read the English translation of the ITAR-TASS report, the answers to your questions are:
Were the recorders working sometime during the flights, and did they record data during the flights?
A. Yes
Were the recorders stopped manually sometime before the end of the flights?
A. Apparently not.
Were the recorders stopped during inflight breakups?
A. Yes, and perhaps slightly before. The TU-154 almost certainly broke up at altitude. I did not post a separate Pravda story which quite graphically described the condition of bodies recovered from within part of the TU-154 fuselage. But the description would be consistent with trauma primarily caused by a high spped airstream hitting the body. (Bodies that landed apart from the fuselage seem to have suffered less trauma.) The TU-134 wreckage debris field is apparently much smaller than for the TU-134, so this flight may not have broken up at high altitude.
Were the recorders damaged by the crashes, thus making data difficult or impossible to recover
A. Yes, to damage to all five recorders (three on the TU-154, and two on the TU-134.) Yes, to the difficulty or recovery. A conditional No regarding the impossibility of data recovery.
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>>This is not the first time two airplanes crashed on the same day from the same organization.<<
Yet another example was bizjet operator Grand Aire:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=86650
Terrorism was initially suspected but later ruled out.
Yet another example was bizjet operator Grand Aire:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=86650
Terrorism was initially suspected but later ruled out.
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Its very sad for those involved and a very unusual pair of accidents.
I think people on here should be wary with security details and SOP's and also not go into detailed conspiracy theories that could encourage some nutter to carry out similar actions of their own....
Perhaps the mods should remove some of the detail.
I've only scanned this thread but i'm quite shocked at the suggestions of how to bring down an airliner.
If you do work on one , is that what you really want to do?
I think people on here should be wary with security details and SOP's and also not go into detailed conspiracy theories that could encourage some nutter to carry out similar actions of their own....
Perhaps the mods should remove some of the detail.
I've only scanned this thread but i'm quite shocked at the suggestions of how to bring down an airliner.
If you do work on one , is that what you really want to do?
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The methods suggested are only what is obvious to the most casual of observers. I am sure that a lot of us here know how to bring down an airliner in ways that are much easier and unthinkable to the avg terrorist.
The methods suggested are only what is obvious to the most casual of observers. I am sure that a lot of us here know how to bring down an airliner in ways that are much easier and unthinkable to the avg terrorist.
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A few more thoughts regarding my previous postings on this subject.
In every news report quoting the Russians there has emerged the possibility of pilot error. I've noticed that this issue has been glanced over and none of the Russian authorities have ever alluded to possible specifics. As far as I know, both planes were flying straight and level at the times of their crashes. It would seem very unlikely to me that a pilot or a co-pilot suddenly decided to do a Stuka run on the terrain. Therefore, it leads to the suggestion that something went terribly wrong with the aircraft to cause them to drop out of the sky within seconds -- whatever it was.
Secondly, if you think that some of the Western countries aviation examiners are bad (FAA & Egypt Air), the Russians are a whole world upon theirselves. If, indeed, this was a Chechyen attack, it may be too close to home, and the Russian authorities may decide to withhold any evidence that could point to them. After all, Russia flies a hell of a lot of people every day and you wouldn't want to put a damper on that. Remember what happened after 9/11 -- airline bookings were down up to 30%.
In every news report quoting the Russians there has emerged the possibility of pilot error. I've noticed that this issue has been glanced over and none of the Russian authorities have ever alluded to possible specifics. As far as I know, both planes were flying straight and level at the times of their crashes. It would seem very unlikely to me that a pilot or a co-pilot suddenly decided to do a Stuka run on the terrain. Therefore, it leads to the suggestion that something went terribly wrong with the aircraft to cause them to drop out of the sky within seconds -- whatever it was.
Secondly, if you think that some of the Western countries aviation examiners are bad (FAA & Egypt Air), the Russians are a whole world upon theirselves. If, indeed, this was a Chechyen attack, it may be too close to home, and the Russian authorities may decide to withhold any evidence that could point to them. After all, Russia flies a hell of a lot of people every day and you wouldn't want to put a damper on that. Remember what happened after 9/11 -- airline bookings were down up to 30%.
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My dear Shadow,
A bit of journalistic license here IMHO. The hole in the floor was caused by a tire explosion, which resulted in an explosive decompression. Without a doubt, an emergency descent had to be carried out by the crew and pax had to don the O2 masks that deployed.
The B747, which accounts for 11,000 hours out of a total of 18,600 in my logbook, has two outflow valves, each about the size of two cabin windows. Even if you managed to get your lead pipe with a 22 gauge shotgun cartridge in it through security, and managed to get a window seat and managed to blow out a whole cabin window, it is doubtful wheter an emergency descent would be necessary. However, we are talking about a concealable weapon, the size of a fountain pen.
Give us a break mate, none of your scenarios has brought down those two Russian aircraft so let's wait until the real reason for this disaster is discovered.
Two passengers were killed when they were ejected from the aircraft through a hole in the cabin floor which had resulted from the forces of explosive decompression
The B747, which accounts for 11,000 hours out of a total of 18,600 in my logbook, has two outflow valves, each about the size of two cabin windows. Even if you managed to get your lead pipe with a 22 gauge shotgun cartridge in it through security, and managed to get a window seat and managed to blow out a whole cabin window, it is doubtful wheter an emergency descent would be necessary. However, we are talking about a concealable weapon, the size of a fountain pen.
Give us a break mate, none of your scenarios has brought down those two Russian aircraft so let's wait until the real reason for this disaster is discovered.
Shadow and HotDog,
Please, desist, or carry on privately.
Please, desist, or carry on privately.
To allow the initial substantiations of Shadow to stand unrefuted diminishes the credibility of this forum.
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Top Russian Official: Plane Terror Likely
Aug 26, 9:40 PM (ET)
By MARIA DANILOVA
MOSCOW (AP) - A top Russian official acknowledged Thursday what many citizens already suspected - that terrorism was the most likely cause of two jetliners crashing minutes apart, a feeling reflected in a newspaper headline warning that "Russia now has a Sept. 11."
A day after officials stressed there were many possibilities besides terrorism, presidential envoy Vladimir Yakovlev told Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency that the main theory "all the same remains terrorism."
Yakovlev said the planes' flight recorders provide no clues to the disaster. He said both boxes had shut off abruptly without any indication of trouble, a sign U.S. aviation experts said was strong evidence of explosions.
Also, Transport Minister Igor Levitin confirmed Sibir airlines' report that its crew activated an emergency signal shortly before the plane disappeared from radar. Visiting the crash site, however, he said that details were slim because "no verbal confirmation from the crew was received" saying what the problem was.
Officials previously said there was no indication of trouble from a Volga-Aviaexpress airliner that also crashed late Tuesday, although people on the ground reported hearing a series of explosions.
Russian media also raised questions about a possible link between the crashes and an explosion a few hours earlier at a bus stop on a road leading to Domodedovo airport, where the two doomed planes took off. Without citing evidence, the reports suggested the blast, which wounded four people, might have been an effort to distract attention.
Suspicions of terrorism came after warnings from officials that separatists might plan attacks before an election this Sunday in Chechnya to replace the war-torn region's assassinated pro-Kremlin president. The rebels have made attacks in Moscow and other cities, hijacked planes outside Russia and allegedly staged suicide bombings.
"I am inclined to think that it is a terrorist act, because there are too many coincidences," said Ruben Suryaninov, an elderly retiree. "What needs to happen so that two planes going from the same airport would bang at the same moment?"
"It's too suspicious," agreed Natalia Kozhelupova, a physicist who was out on a national day of mourning for the 89 people killed in the crashes. Russia's tricolor flag flew at half-staff and television canceled entertainment programs...
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040827/D84N925G1.html
Aug 26, 9:40 PM (ET)
By MARIA DANILOVA
MOSCOW (AP) - A top Russian official acknowledged Thursday what many citizens already suspected - that terrorism was the most likely cause of two jetliners crashing minutes apart, a feeling reflected in a newspaper headline warning that "Russia now has a Sept. 11."
A day after officials stressed there were many possibilities besides terrorism, presidential envoy Vladimir Yakovlev told Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency that the main theory "all the same remains terrorism."
Yakovlev said the planes' flight recorders provide no clues to the disaster. He said both boxes had shut off abruptly without any indication of trouble, a sign U.S. aviation experts said was strong evidence of explosions.
Also, Transport Minister Igor Levitin confirmed Sibir airlines' report that its crew activated an emergency signal shortly before the plane disappeared from radar. Visiting the crash site, however, he said that details were slim because "no verbal confirmation from the crew was received" saying what the problem was.
Officials previously said there was no indication of trouble from a Volga-Aviaexpress airliner that also crashed late Tuesday, although people on the ground reported hearing a series of explosions.
Russian media also raised questions about a possible link between the crashes and an explosion a few hours earlier at a bus stop on a road leading to Domodedovo airport, where the two doomed planes took off. Without citing evidence, the reports suggested the blast, which wounded four people, might have been an effort to distract attention.
Suspicions of terrorism came after warnings from officials that separatists might plan attacks before an election this Sunday in Chechnya to replace the war-torn region's assassinated pro-Kremlin president. The rebels have made attacks in Moscow and other cities, hijacked planes outside Russia and allegedly staged suicide bombings.
"I am inclined to think that it is a terrorist act, because there are too many coincidences," said Ruben Suryaninov, an elderly retiree. "What needs to happen so that two planes going from the same airport would bang at the same moment?"
"It's too suspicious," agreed Natalia Kozhelupova, a physicist who was out on a national day of mourning for the 89 people killed in the crashes. Russia's tricolor flag flew at half-staff and television canceled entertainment programs...
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040827/D84N925G1.html
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If, and that is a big IF, this was the Chechnian's then there are a few things that don't add up.
They have a 'beef' with the Russian goverment, the Russian goverment hold something like a 50% shareholding in the state airline, if one wishes to hit the goverment where it hurts then why go for 2 independent airlines?
Of course, the state airline operates from Moscow SVO, not DME, so is security too tight at SVO or is there a DME connection?
And, unless such a group were Moscow based why go for a Moscow airport at all? Anyone that has travelled around the CIS regions knows that security is more relaxed at the regional airports.
They have a 'beef' with the Russian goverment, the Russian goverment hold something like a 50% shareholding in the state airline, if one wishes to hit the goverment where it hurts then why go for 2 independent airlines?
Of course, the state airline operates from Moscow SVO, not DME, so is security too tight at SVO or is there a DME connection?
And, unless such a group were Moscow based why go for a Moscow airport at all? Anyone that has travelled around the CIS regions knows that security is more relaxed at the regional airports.
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Russia finds air crash explosive
From the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3604134.stm
I'd say this should end any doubts.
Russian officials say traces of explosive have been found amid the wreckage of one of two airliners that crashed on Tuesday.
Russian news agency Interfax quoted the FSB security service as saying at least one of the almost simultaneous crashes was a "terrorist act".
Investigators are still working to decode the flight data recorders from the crashes, which left 89 people dead.
Inquiry chief Igor Levitin said he had no "clear idea as to what happened".
On Thursday, Russia observed a day of mourning for those aboard the airliners, whose bodies have all now been found.
Double crash mystery
The Tu-134 and Tu-154 crashed within minutes of each other over southern Russia, coming down about 800km (500 miles) apart.
1. Domodedovo Airport
1735 : A Sibir Airlines Tu-154 bound for Sochi departs
1815 : A Volga-Aviaexpress Tu-134 leaves for Volgograd
1856 : Contact lost with Tu-134
1859 : Contact lost with Tu-154
2. Tula region
Wreckage from Tu-134 found near the village of Buchalki soon after contact is lost
3. Rostov-on-Don
0400 (approx): Wreckage from Tu-154 found
(All times in GMT)
Itar-Tass says the traces of explosives were found in the wreckage of the Tu-154, which crashed with more than 40 people on board.
Officially a number of different theories are being investigated including technical failure and human error but terrorism has not been ruled out, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg reports from Moscow.
The crashes came just days before a presidential election in war-ravaged Chechnya, where separatists recently stepped up attacks on Russian forces and their local allies.
Transport Minister Igor Levitin, who heads the government commission investigating the crashes, said on Thursday that more time was needed to decode the "black boxes".
"Not all the flight recorders are in a condition that would allow them to be read immediately," he said before flying to Tula Region, where one of the planes crashed.
"Today and tomorrow we will work on them in order to bring the tape to a condition that will allow us to read what happened."
President Vladimir Putin's envoy to southern Russia told reporters that the black boxes had "practically switched off immediately".
Vladimir Yakovlev said this was "probably more confirmation... that something had happened very quickly".
Investigators have continued to sift through the wreckage scattered over fields in Tula and Rostov Region.
Mystery passenger
Russian flags flew at half-mast on Thursday and light entertainment was withdrawn from theatre and television schedules.
Passenger lists indicate that all the victims were Russian, apart from one Israeli.
The vast majority appear to have been ethnic Russians while there has been some speculation that a woman passenger aboard the Tu-154 may have been a Chechen.
"We have no information that she was a terrorist," said Mr Levitin, adding that investigators wanted to know why no one had come to claim her body.
Russia's newspapers have largely poured scorn on the official line that the cause of the crashes was probably technical or human error.
"Despite the titanic efforts of state television, we are not all imbeciles just yet," said an editorial in Moskovsky Komsomolets.
"Now Russia has its own 11 September," said the headline in Nezavisimaya Gazeta.
The victims' families are to receive 112,000 roubles ($3,800) each in compensation - unless it is proven that terrorism was to blame, in which case they would receive less.
Russian news agency Interfax quoted the FSB security service as saying at least one of the almost simultaneous crashes was a "terrorist act".
Investigators are still working to decode the flight data recorders from the crashes, which left 89 people dead.
Inquiry chief Igor Levitin said he had no "clear idea as to what happened".
On Thursday, Russia observed a day of mourning for those aboard the airliners, whose bodies have all now been found.
Double crash mystery
The Tu-134 and Tu-154 crashed within minutes of each other over southern Russia, coming down about 800km (500 miles) apart.
1. Domodedovo Airport
1735 : A Sibir Airlines Tu-154 bound for Sochi departs
1815 : A Volga-Aviaexpress Tu-134 leaves for Volgograd
1856 : Contact lost with Tu-134
1859 : Contact lost with Tu-154
2. Tula region
Wreckage from Tu-134 found near the village of Buchalki soon after contact is lost
3. Rostov-on-Don
0400 (approx): Wreckage from Tu-154 found
(All times in GMT)
Itar-Tass says the traces of explosives were found in the wreckage of the Tu-154, which crashed with more than 40 people on board.
Officially a number of different theories are being investigated including technical failure and human error but terrorism has not been ruled out, the BBC's Steve Rosenberg reports from Moscow.
The crashes came just days before a presidential election in war-ravaged Chechnya, where separatists recently stepped up attacks on Russian forces and their local allies.
Transport Minister Igor Levitin, who heads the government commission investigating the crashes, said on Thursday that more time was needed to decode the "black boxes".
"Not all the flight recorders are in a condition that would allow them to be read immediately," he said before flying to Tula Region, where one of the planes crashed.
"Today and tomorrow we will work on them in order to bring the tape to a condition that will allow us to read what happened."
President Vladimir Putin's envoy to southern Russia told reporters that the black boxes had "practically switched off immediately".
Vladimir Yakovlev said this was "probably more confirmation... that something had happened very quickly".
Investigators have continued to sift through the wreckage scattered over fields in Tula and Rostov Region.
Mystery passenger
Russian flags flew at half-mast on Thursday and light entertainment was withdrawn from theatre and television schedules.
Passenger lists indicate that all the victims were Russian, apart from one Israeli.
The vast majority appear to have been ethnic Russians while there has been some speculation that a woman passenger aboard the Tu-154 may have been a Chechen.
"We have no information that she was a terrorist," said Mr Levitin, adding that investigators wanted to know why no one had come to claim her body.
Russia's newspapers have largely poured scorn on the official line that the cause of the crashes was probably technical or human error.
"Despite the titanic efforts of state television, we are not all imbeciles just yet," said an editorial in Moskovsky Komsomolets.
"Now Russia has its own 11 September," said the headline in Nezavisimaya Gazeta.
The victims' families are to receive 112,000 roubles ($3,800) each in compensation - unless it is proven that terrorism was to blame, in which case they would receive less.
I'd say this should end any doubts.
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"Our mujahideen in the Islambouli Brigades were able to hijack two Russian planes and they were successful despite the obstacles that faced them at the beginning. There were five (mujahideen) in each plane," said the Arabic-language statement, whose authenticity could not be verified.
"Our mujahedeen, with God's grace, succeeded in directing the first blow which will be followed by a series of other operations in a wave to extend support and victory to our Muslim brothers in Chechnya and other Muslim areas which suffer from Russian faithlessness."
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"Our mujahedeen, with God's grace, succeeded in directing the first blow which will be followed by a series of other operations in a wave to extend support and victory to our Muslim brothers in Chechnya and other Muslim areas which suffer from Russian faithlessness."
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Both ITAR-TASS and Pravda identify the explosive residue as Hexogen, or cyclotrimethylene trinitramine. More commonly known in the West as RDX, it is usually combined with other materials to form various military explosives, including plastic explosives.
Pravda provides much more detail on a female passenger on each flight who is under suspicion. Pravda indicates that the wreckage pattern for both planes has the tail section landing forward of the cockpit. English translation of the Pravda article follows:
Pravda provides much more detail on a female passenger on each flight who is under suspicion. Pravda indicates that the wreckage pattern for both planes has the tail section landing forward of the cockpit. English translation of the Pravda article follows:
The Russian Federal Security bureau and the Internal Affairs Ministry started searching for terrorists on board the two crashed jetliners Tu-134 and Tu-154. However, the double terrorist act is still not considered the key version.
Investigators paid attention to two women. As official lists of victims run, S.Jebirkhanova was flying aboard the Tu-154 and Amanta Salm.Nagayeva was a passenger of the Tu-134 liner. Siberia airline entailed the first suspicion: soon after the crashes spokespeople for the airline said there were reasons to believe it was a terrorist act. It was particularly said that Jebirkhanova was the only passenger of the plane, whose relatives did not make their presence known after the crash.
Police officers have not found out anything about the first suspect yet. A mistake was found in her ticket registration records: Nagayeva's middle name was spelled Salm. (meaning Salmanova), although she was Suleymanova. The woman was born in the settlement of Kirov, the Vedeno district of Chechnya and then she moved to Grozny. "A young single woman, she was not notable for anything. We do not have the information to prove her links with terrorists, the investigation is underway," a spokesperson for the Interior Affairs Ministry said.
Jebirkhanova raises a lot more suspicions. Investigators determined that the woman's airplane ticket mentioned only her last name. Jebirkhanova's first name was put down as a first letter only v S., her middle name was not entered at all. "We are conducting an internal investigation on the matter," a spokesman for Siberia airline said.
Reporters from the Gazeta newspaper have managed to get acquainted with preliminary experts' conclusions about the reasons of the two plane crashes. The conclusions were included in the report for the presidential envoy in the southern administrative district, Vladimir Yakovlev. Yakovlev was the first official, who stated that the two liners crashed because of the terrorist act.
The pilots of the two planes, the Gazeta wrote, pressed the alarm buttons several moments prior to the tragedy. The Tu-154 plane, which crashed in the Rostov region of Russia, sent an SOS. The crew of the Tu-134 crashed in the Tula region managed to transmit: "The plane has been attacked."
Specialists on explosions found detonation traces on the crash sites. According to preliminary analysis, it is hexogen. At first they were confused with the fact that there were no such traces detected either in the passenger saloons or in the front parts of the two planes. However, specialists found a piece of hull paneling torn up by the roots with the porthole in the rear part of the Tu-154, where the toilet was. Experts believe that it testifies to a small local explosion, which separated the rear part of the jetliner, it spun and fell to pieces.
The results of works on the crash sites confirm such a supposition. The situation is similar in both cases: at first there is the hull on the ground, then there is the front part with the cockpit, followed with the rear part of the plane. If the plane fell apart in the air without any explosion, the tail would fall down on the ground behind the hull, not in front of the cockpit as it virtually happened.
Investigators paid attention to two women. As official lists of victims run, S.Jebirkhanova was flying aboard the Tu-154 and Amanta Salm.Nagayeva was a passenger of the Tu-134 liner. Siberia airline entailed the first suspicion: soon after the crashes spokespeople for the airline said there were reasons to believe it was a terrorist act. It was particularly said that Jebirkhanova was the only passenger of the plane, whose relatives did not make their presence known after the crash.
Police officers have not found out anything about the first suspect yet. A mistake was found in her ticket registration records: Nagayeva's middle name was spelled Salm. (meaning Salmanova), although she was Suleymanova. The woman was born in the settlement of Kirov, the Vedeno district of Chechnya and then she moved to Grozny. "A young single woman, she was not notable for anything. We do not have the information to prove her links with terrorists, the investigation is underway," a spokesperson for the Interior Affairs Ministry said.
Jebirkhanova raises a lot more suspicions. Investigators determined that the woman's airplane ticket mentioned only her last name. Jebirkhanova's first name was put down as a first letter only v S., her middle name was not entered at all. "We are conducting an internal investigation on the matter," a spokesman for Siberia airline said.
Reporters from the Gazeta newspaper have managed to get acquainted with preliminary experts' conclusions about the reasons of the two plane crashes. The conclusions were included in the report for the presidential envoy in the southern administrative district, Vladimir Yakovlev. Yakovlev was the first official, who stated that the two liners crashed because of the terrorist act.
The pilots of the two planes, the Gazeta wrote, pressed the alarm buttons several moments prior to the tragedy. The Tu-154 plane, which crashed in the Rostov region of Russia, sent an SOS. The crew of the Tu-134 crashed in the Tula region managed to transmit: "The plane has been attacked."
Specialists on explosions found detonation traces on the crash sites. According to preliminary analysis, it is hexogen. At first they were confused with the fact that there were no such traces detected either in the passenger saloons or in the front parts of the two planes. However, specialists found a piece of hull paneling torn up by the roots with the porthole in the rear part of the Tu-154, where the toilet was. Experts believe that it testifies to a small local explosion, which separated the rear part of the jetliner, it spun and fell to pieces.
The results of works on the crash sites confirm such a supposition. The situation is similar in both cases: at first there is the hull on the ground, then there is the front part with the cockpit, followed with the rear part of the plane. If the plane fell apart in the air without any explosion, the tail would fall down on the ground behind the hull, not in front of the cockpit as it virtually happened.
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"In a website statement on Friday, a group called the Islamic Brigades said it had five people on board each aircraft. It warned this act would be followed by others "until the killings of our Muslim brothers in Chechnya cease".
I agree, this is now looking like some sort of malicious act but
anyone else find it amazing how the media can get away with lazy comments such as the above without backing themselves up with a source? A mere "comment" on an unknown website (which they will not digress) by "someone" claiming to be behind the events? Surrrree.
How easy is set to set up a website and then host a forum (like this one) and then for some stranger to come along and register a terrorist-like name and lay claim to something they didn't do?Answer: Very easy.
I agree, this is now looking like some sort of malicious act but
anyone else find it amazing how the media can get away with lazy comments such as the above without backing themselves up with a source? A mere "comment" on an unknown website (which they will not digress) by "someone" claiming to be behind the events? Surrrree.
How easy is set to set up a website and then host a forum (like this one) and then for some stranger to come along and register a terrorist-like name and lay claim to something they didn't do?Answer: Very easy.
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August 27, 2004
13:02, Moscow time
Siberia Airlines official statement
In examining the fragments of the Tu-154 aircraft, the traces of explosive were found. The preliminary testing showed it to be cyclonite, said Sergey Ignatchenko, the head of the public relations center of the Federal Security Service, to the Interfax information agency. The operative investigation discovered information, allowing identification of persons, who are likely to be related to the terrorist act on board Tu-154.
13:02, Moscow time
Siberia Airlines official statement
In examining the fragments of the Tu-154 aircraft, the traces of explosive were found. The preliminary testing showed it to be cyclonite, said Sergey Ignatchenko, the head of the public relations center of the Federal Security Service, to the Interfax information agency. The operative investigation discovered information, allowing identification of persons, who are likely to be related to the terrorist act on board Tu-154.
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Two Russian pax crashed within minutes of each other
Cyclonite, Hexogen, RDX - its all the same stuff. See:
http://www.saudiform.com/hexamine.html#PHYSICAL
Funny that the first website in English you get when you Google Hexogen is a Saudi one.
But anyway it's a white crystalline granular compound visually indistinguishable from sugar. The only way you can distinguish it is with an infra-red spectrometer or possibly with one of the new scanners at:
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...a_breeze_.html
But until such scanners have been installed at all bagagge scanning points watch out for people carrying bags of groceries with them on to your aircraft.
http://www.saudiform.com/hexamine.html#PHYSICAL
Funny that the first website in English you get when you Google Hexogen is a Saudi one.
But anyway it's a white crystalline granular compound visually indistinguishable from sugar. The only way you can distinguish it is with an infra-red spectrometer or possibly with one of the new scanners at:
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ne...a_breeze_.html
But until such scanners have been installed at all bagagge scanning points watch out for people carrying bags of groceries with them on to your aircraft.
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The Dutch NOS news reports the two aircraft each had a woman of Chechen origin on board, who both bought their tickets about one hour before their departure. Also apparently no-one (not even family) has contacted the airlines or authorities to inform about their fate. 
Hmm.
Hmm.
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Pravda now suggests 'bomb in toilet at rear of a/c':
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However, specialists found a piece of hull paneling torn up by the roots with the porthole in the rear part of the Tu-154, where the toilet was. Experts believe that it testifies to a small local explosion, which separated the rear part of the jetliner, it spun and fell to pieces.
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God Bless:
Crew
The crew of the TU-154 aircraft conducting the flight Moscow-Sochi was made up of the flight crew of the 4th air squadron of Aircraft Division 3 (Moscow) and a team of stewards from the Altai branch of the air company.
The pilot-in-command, 1st class pilot, Michail Leonidovitch Guryev, was a very experienced pilot with clearance to fly on international routes. He was born in 1956, and was a graduate from the Balashov Higher Military Aviation School. He had over 5700 flying hours, 3500 of which he was the pilot-in-command on TU-154 planes.
Second pilot, Yuri Viktorovitch Andruschenko, born in 1970, graduated from the Kirovograd Higher Flying School. A 2nd class pilot who did most of his flight time of 3800 hours on TU-154.
The navigator, Stepan Aleksandrovitch Korol, was born in 1964. He was awarded the 1st class in 1997. His total flight time was over 9000 hours.
The flight engineer, Andrey Vladimirovitch Ermolaev, born in 1966, had 2nd class rating and the total flight time of over 3200 hours. He also had clearance for international flights.
According to superiors and colleagues, they were all excellent aviation specialists and highly professional pilots. During the preceding flight work they did not have any flight occurrences or incidents. In December 2003 - May 2004, all four passed tests for practical work in the air.
The backbone of the cabin crew consisted of experienced 2nd class stewards with the flight experience of 11 to 14 years. These are: chief air steward Olga Sergeevna Bykovskaya, born 1963, and stewards Sergey Vladimirovitch Ivanov, born 1966, and Yana Gennadyevna Tarsukova, born 1974. They were real mentors for the 25-year-old Marina Khudeeva, a 3rd class steward with the flight experience of just over a year.
All personnel of Siberia Airlines mourn the loss of colleagues and partners, close friends and excellent specialists who remained true to their professional duty to the very end.
Crew
The crew of the TU-154 aircraft conducting the flight Moscow-Sochi was made up of the flight crew of the 4th air squadron of Aircraft Division 3 (Moscow) and a team of stewards from the Altai branch of the air company.
The pilot-in-command, 1st class pilot, Michail Leonidovitch Guryev, was a very experienced pilot with clearance to fly on international routes. He was born in 1956, and was a graduate from the Balashov Higher Military Aviation School. He had over 5700 flying hours, 3500 of which he was the pilot-in-command on TU-154 planes.
Second pilot, Yuri Viktorovitch Andruschenko, born in 1970, graduated from the Kirovograd Higher Flying School. A 2nd class pilot who did most of his flight time of 3800 hours on TU-154.
The navigator, Stepan Aleksandrovitch Korol, was born in 1964. He was awarded the 1st class in 1997. His total flight time was over 9000 hours.
The flight engineer, Andrey Vladimirovitch Ermolaev, born in 1966, had 2nd class rating and the total flight time of over 3200 hours. He also had clearance for international flights.
According to superiors and colleagues, they were all excellent aviation specialists and highly professional pilots. During the preceding flight work they did not have any flight occurrences or incidents. In December 2003 - May 2004, all four passed tests for practical work in the air.
The backbone of the cabin crew consisted of experienced 2nd class stewards with the flight experience of 11 to 14 years. These are: chief air steward Olga Sergeevna Bykovskaya, born 1963, and stewards Sergey Vladimirovitch Ivanov, born 1966, and Yana Gennadyevna Tarsukova, born 1974. They were real mentors for the 25-year-old Marina Khudeeva, a 3rd class steward with the flight experience of just over a year.
All personnel of Siberia Airlines mourn the loss of colleagues and partners, close friends and excellent specialists who remained true to their professional duty to the very end.