Is it now time to reconsider jumpseat restrictions for relatives?
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I have to agree with you that no, it is not likely that the powers that be will reconsider for some time.
However, the question asks SHOULD this be reconsidered by the powers that be.
Due to the desire of having family members on the FD and the stupidity behind the ruling, my and many other's answers is... yes.
Regards, Tri
I have to agree with you that no, it is not likely that the powers that be will reconsider for some time.
However, the question asks SHOULD this be reconsidered by the powers that be.
Due to the desire of having family members on the FD and the stupidity behind the ruling, my and many other's answers is... yes.
Regards, Tri
Trislander:
First of all, I doubt I have a confidence problem. I have been at this game for 46 years now and I am still going strong.
My wives (both of them) and all of my children have been on the flight deck with me over the years as have many of my friends but that was before Bin Liner's men did the unthinkable and knocked down the twin towers with real aeroplanes.
Regardless of what our opinions as professional aviators might be, can you think of just one politician or security chief who would have the balls to suggest a relaxation to flight deck access in the present climate?
Sadly, a hell of a lot of dust is going to have to settle before that is likely to happen and there is not a damned thing that you or I can do about it I'm afraid.
First of all, I doubt I have a confidence problem. I have been at this game for 46 years now and I am still going strong.
My wives (both of them) and all of my children have been on the flight deck with me over the years as have many of my friends but that was before Bin Liner's men did the unthinkable and knocked down the twin towers with real aeroplanes.
Regardless of what our opinions as professional aviators might be, can you think of just one politician or security chief who would have the balls to suggest a relaxation to flight deck access in the present climate?
Sadly, a hell of a lot of dust is going to have to settle before that is likely to happen and there is not a damned thing that you or I can do about it I'm afraid.
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What advantage is it to the politicans to have you'r relatives on the jumpseat ?.
The answer is that there is no political mileage in it for them so to avoid any chance of being seen to be "soft " on terrorists why should they change anything ?, remember these people are only in goverment personal advancment.
The only thing that will change there minds in the forseeable future is if ( and I hope this never happens ) a relatve of a flight crew member is taken hostage and the flight deck door is opened.
The bottom line is that untill it is to the advantage of the politicans nothing will change , common sence has nothing to do with the presant goverment attitude to security.
The answer is that there is no political mileage in it for them so to avoid any chance of being seen to be "soft " on terrorists why should they change anything ?, remember these people are only in goverment personal advancment.
The only thing that will change there minds in the forseeable future is if ( and I hope this never happens ) a relatve of a flight crew member is taken hostage and the flight deck door is opened.
The bottom line is that untill it is to the advantage of the politicans nothing will change , common sence has nothing to do with the presant goverment attitude to security.
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The key to this issue is simple.
Visits to the sharp end by (any) non-duty persons should be done on a prior approval basis only, no exceptions (other than an emergency). This implies that approval has been given in advance by a member of (ground) staff qualified to evaluate the situation/visitor. This provides a level of protection to the crew ("sorry sir, but approval must be sought at least x days prior to the flight").
The value of Familiarisation Flights for ATC's is priceless, it is such a pity we can no longer get our new young ATC's up front to see what role they play in the big picture, and how their method affects the guys (and girls) up front.
CD
Visits to the sharp end by (any) non-duty persons should be done on a prior approval basis only, no exceptions (other than an emergency). This implies that approval has been given in advance by a member of (ground) staff qualified to evaluate the situation/visitor. This provides a level of protection to the crew ("sorry sir, but approval must be sought at least x days prior to the flight").
The value of Familiarisation Flights for ATC's is priceless, it is such a pity we can no longer get our new young ATC's up front to see what role they play in the big picture, and how their method affects the guys (and girls) up front.
CD
Controversial, moi?
The value of Familiarisation Flights for ATC's is priceless, it is such a pity we can no longer get our new young ATC's up front to see what role they play in the big picture, and how their method affects the guys (and girls) up front.
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This year, because the Disclosure Scotland is taking so Long to issue the certificates (these are nonsense, but that's another story) our lot have just been writing tickets and boarding cards to all crew, flight deck and CC, who do not have their passes yet; the crew member merely writes out a ticket and grabs a boarding card in the crew room. Absolute nonsense, the whole thing.
As a Captain I consider the faith that the company puts in me to manage a situation, whether it's a late loadsheet or a hijack, could and should encompass whether or not I, and indeed my First Officer, are happy to allow someone to jumpseat on the flight deck. After all, I am considered fit to fly 200 people around in all other aspects!
It is insulting to me and all my collegues not to be allowed to use our judgement and I would urge EVERYONE to follow my example and, until this narrow minded policy is changed,
REFUSE TO ALLOW ANYONE - ESPECIALLY OPS INSPECTORS AND DfT OFFICIALS -
on the flight deck jump seats. This is my own protest and it may be having a positive effect. The DfT Officials have been sent off to write their reports as to just why they have been refused.
As a Captain I consider the faith that the company puts in me to manage a situation, whether it's a late loadsheet or a hijack, could and should encompass whether or not I, and indeed my First Officer, are happy to allow someone to jumpseat on the flight deck. After all, I am considered fit to fly 200 people around in all other aspects!
It is insulting to me and all my collegues not to be allowed to use our judgement and I would urge EVERYONE to follow my example and, until this narrow minded policy is changed,
REFUSE TO ALLOW ANYONE - ESPECIALLY OPS INSPECTORS AND DfT OFFICIALS -
on the flight deck jump seats. This is my own protest and it may be having a positive effect. The DfT Officials have been sent off to write their reports as to just why they have been refused.
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Sorry to say butmuch as I adore my family, the cockpit is no place for them to be. I am totally human and have weaknesses as I am sure we all do. In the event of an emergency situation where would my priorities lay I ask myself, would I be looking after my pax and Crew or would I be thinking about my family??I could go on about this but feel I have stated my case. Personally I dont think that anyone other than Crew should be in the cockpit.
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In an emergency I would be thinking about saving myself , the bottom line is that I don't want to die !.
If I get it right then all the other occupants of the aircraft just follow me.
I can see of no emergency situation that would be effected by my relitives on the flight deck , a terrorists gun in my wife's back MIGHT be a different matter.
If I get it right then all the other occupants of the aircraft just follow me.
I can see of no emergency situation that would be effected by my relitives on the flight deck , a terrorists gun in my wife's back MIGHT be a different matter.
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I have spent alot of my childhood on the jumpseat and that is one of the reasons that I have chosen to choose flying as my career ( now I spend too much time in the F/D but that is a different matter!).
Everyone I have asked at work has said that they would be quite happy to allow jump seat rides. All seems to have been blown out of all proportion to me.
As for the plastic cutlery thing dont even get me started!!!!!
Now where did I put that fire axe?????????
Everyone I have asked at work has said that they would be quite happy to allow jump seat rides. All seems to have been blown out of all proportion to me.
As for the plastic cutlery thing dont even get me started!!!!!
Now where did I put that fire axe?????????
