Ryanair pilots paying to keep their jobs ?
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Ryanair pilots paying to keep their jobs ?
I've heard that the pilots that were taken over as a result of the Buzz buyout are now having to re apply for their positions and pay £50 for an interview dispite the fact that they already hold contracts with Ryanair. If this is the case and Ryanair decide that conveniently some are suddenly not suitable I presume redundancy must be payable ?
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If you ever needed another example of just what type of person MOL is you would be hard pressed to top this.
When EZY took over GO apart from the usual niggles with just such a process of intergration it appeared from the outside to be a fairly painless process.
But as soon as the flying Harp with the boob job gets involved all hell breaks loose.
This saga has been going on for ages and im sure the Buzz guys are sick and tired of it.
I wish you all a satisfactory conclusion to this soon and i hope that MOL comes to realise that share price and money isn't everything but being able to say i did a good job and made some friends along the way is just as important.
Bring on BALPA if they crack the Mullingar Knacker then they just might gain some credability.
Good Luck
When EZY took over GO apart from the usual niggles with just such a process of intergration it appeared from the outside to be a fairly painless process.
But as soon as the flying Harp with the boob job gets involved all hell breaks loose.
This saga has been going on for ages and im sure the Buzz guys are sick and tired of it.
I wish you all a satisfactory conclusion to this soon and i hope that MOL comes to realise that share price and money isn't everything but being able to say i did a good job and made some friends along the way is just as important.
Bring on BALPA if they crack the Mullingar Knacker then they just might gain some credability.
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There is also an argument that says if FR hadnt bought Buzz a year ago, another airline/company may have. Its the management of Buzz/KLM that let Buzz become a mess in the first place and put itself in the position where it had to be sold. Perhaps the selling of Buzz to FR just prolonged the inevitible.
This does not mean that I agree with the treatment of the Buzz pilots/crew in any way. Best of luck to you all.
This does not mean that I agree with the treatment of the Buzz pilots/crew in any way. Best of luck to you all.
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If all the buzz pilots were made redundant last year, the package would have been significantly better than any Ryanair might offer now. Buzz redundancy now will probably be based on length of service from April '03, with 1 weeks salary per year.
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Ryanair loses redundancy battle with ex Buzz staff
A group of 140 check-in staff and aircraft dispatchers who were sacked when the low-cost airline Buzz was bought by Ryanair have won "satisfactory" compensation after a year-long battle over wrongful dismissal.
The GMB union yesterday said it had reached an out of court settlement. But its senior organiser, Ed Blis sett, said the money was "cold comfort" for the loss of livelihood. An insider said the deal amounted to some £100,000, which represents around three weeks' wages for each of the employees, most of whom were part-time.
Dutch airline KLM, which owned Buzz, is believed to be providing the money under an indemnity provided to Ryanair.
Mr Blissett said: "Ryanair's unnecessary sackings paint an accurate picture of a callous and malevolent employer who doesn't give a damn for anyone or anything apart from making a profit."
The takeover descended into acrimony last year when Ryanair's chief executive, Michael O'Leary, above, told Buzz staff that he would shut down the carrier unless they accepted mass dismissals. Mr O'Leary justified his actions on the grounds that Buzz had the "sh*tt*est" planes flying to "sh*tty" airports.
He is still in dispute with the pilots' union, Balpa, which has accused Ryanair of breaking so-called Tupe regulations, which cover the transfer of staff, by rewriting Buzz pilots' entitlements to breaks and holidays.
The GMB union yesterday said it had reached an out of court settlement. But its senior organiser, Ed Blis sett, said the money was "cold comfort" for the loss of livelihood. An insider said the deal amounted to some £100,000, which represents around three weeks' wages for each of the employees, most of whom were part-time.
Dutch airline KLM, which owned Buzz, is believed to be providing the money under an indemnity provided to Ryanair.
Mr Blissett said: "Ryanair's unnecessary sackings paint an accurate picture of a callous and malevolent employer who doesn't give a damn for anyone or anything apart from making a profit."
The takeover descended into acrimony last year when Ryanair's chief executive, Michael O'Leary, above, told Buzz staff that he would shut down the carrier unless they accepted mass dismissals. Mr O'Leary justified his actions on the grounds that Buzz had the "sh*tt*est" planes flying to "sh*tty" airports.
He is still in dispute with the pilots' union, Balpa, which has accused Ryanair of breaking so-called Tupe regulations, which cover the transfer of staff, by rewriting Buzz pilots' entitlements to breaks and holidays.
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Cold comfort for the Buzz staff.
Sounds to me like the pot calling the kettle black.
I know this has been covered many times before but Buzz was an excellent little airline with a teriffic bunch of staff. I for one really miss flying Buzz
Buzz had the "sh*tt*est" planes flying to "sh*tty" airports
I know this has been covered many times before but Buzz was an excellent little airline with a teriffic bunch of staff. I for one really miss flying Buzz
So do I. The little yellow 4-holers weren't exactly new, but they went to the right places at the right price. The check-in staff allocated seat numbers and there was even a nice executive lounge at STN. Unlike another STN low-cost operator, buzz exemplified what a low-cost airline should be like!
An excellent little airline with very pleasant staff. Sorely missed. But I'm glad that they've won this case - and hope that the other will also succeeed.
An excellent little airline with very pleasant staff. Sorely missed. But I'm glad that they've won this case - and hope that the other will also succeeed.
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Mr O'Leary justified his actions on the grounds that Buzz had the "sh*tt*est" planes flying to "sh*tty" airports.
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Oh here we go again, Britons glorifying anything that´s old, obsolete, and completely outdated like the Bae 146! C´mon you guys and gals, wake up! It´s the year two thousand and four (2004!) for cryin´ out loud! 
BTW, I´m happy for the folks that won the lawsuit though! Good job! Don´t put up with any more sh*t from MOL! Maybe a glimmer of hope for the Ryanair pilots´ A call to Arms?
BTW, I´m happy for the folks that won the lawsuit though! Good job! Don´t put up with any more sh*t from MOL! Maybe a glimmer of hope for the Ryanair pilots´ A call to Arms?
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As opposed to 737-200s dating back to what, 1978? Hmm, let me see, when was the EIS of the one-four-sick? Oh, quite a number of years AFTER that. So who's flying the rubbish?
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You´re right about the -200´s. Those must be worse than the ex-Go junkers we have in the EZY fleet! 
Again the UK/Ireland/US are ideologically not far apart! If it ain´t broke (or it has not completely collapsed yet) don´t fix it!
BTW, regarding the £50,- application fee: you can apply free with EZY and you already have the 737 type! EZY is not the greatest airline in the world and you need to look beyond the ´we´re a happy little family´ hype, but we do get crewmeals and bottles of water and have BALPA recognition!
Again the UK/Ireland/US are ideologically not far apart! If it ain´t broke (or it has not completely collapsed yet) don´t fix it!
BTW, regarding the £50,- application fee: you can apply free with EZY and you already have the 737 type! EZY is not the greatest airline in the world and you need to look beyond the ´we´re a happy little family´ hype, but we do get crewmeals and bottles of water and have BALPA recognition!
in the fleet. And yes, they are "old" eJ equipment. Rebel PPRuNer
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Makes one wonder why MOL fought so hard vs the employees when KLM was paying... makes one think he would have been cheering them on.
Unfortunately, the pilots in question are not FR pilots, they just fly FR services. So now they have to reapply. Hopefully this pilot shortage we hear about means they will find a nicer home than Stalag MOL.
If MOL is set to shut Buzz down then non-EU services ex STN are probably off the table since the Buzz AOC was thought to be for that purpose by PPRuNe rumours.
Unfortunately, the pilots in question are not FR pilots, they just fly FR services. So now they have to reapply. Hopefully this pilot shortage we hear about means they will find a nicer home than Stalag MOL.
If MOL is set to shut Buzz down then non-EU services ex STN are probably off the table since the Buzz AOC was thought to be for that purpose by PPRuNe rumours.
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What is it with Ryanair management? Are they so arrogant as to believe they can do what they like? Has anyone paid for an interview? I've worked all around the world and come up against some pretty screwed up logic and procedures but this seems completely unreal.
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Loosing your Ryanair Innocence
Bus429. Such innocence! Of course people have paid for interviews. And for simultator checks. And for their type conversion course (in advance). And they pay for their uniforms, every month, for as long as they are employees (think carefully about that one...). No pension, pay for medicals.. etc. etc. And it goes on and on.
But it is going to get much worse. Because that is just a taste of what this is about. Threatened future items include paying for your simulator every year and, if you are on the 732, you will pay for your course onto the 738. On that logic, it will be easier (and cheaper) to employ new pilots than those senior pilots on the 732 because you will be able to promote ambitious young types and give them new (cheaper) contracts.
The cream on the cake will be that if BALPA and IALPA can be blamed they become the excuse for doing it. If they are not around to blame, then you can just do it anyway - just like he has been doing for quite some time!
Beware, here there be no rules, except those of the jungle. Stay clear of this danger zone.
But it is going to get much worse. Because that is just a taste of what this is about. Threatened future items include paying for your simulator every year and, if you are on the 732, you will pay for your course onto the 738. On that logic, it will be easier (and cheaper) to employ new pilots than those senior pilots on the 732 because you will be able to promote ambitious young types and give them new (cheaper) contracts.
The cream on the cake will be that if BALPA and IALPA can be blamed they become the excuse for doing it. If they are not around to blame, then you can just do it anyway - just like he has been doing for quite some time!
Beware, here there be no rules, except those of the jungle. Stay clear of this danger zone.
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MOLLY has made a right b@lls up of the Buzz take over and had this been any other airline not ruled by a self deluding jumped up pencil necked demi god then he would have been sacked.
But because he had held the share price for so long the investors are under the impression that he can stop the slide he has so far survived.
It's easy to copy somebody else's idea and make a success of it. MOL has tried to achieve the success that most airlines gain in mergers and aquisitions and has failed misserably.
To me has proven that he really has no business foresight and had a severe knee jerk reaction to the rather more clever deal brokered by EZY.
Reagan uped his defence budget in the 80's and the USSR followed and consequently fell because of it. Is Stelios really that clever?
But because he had held the share price for so long the investors are under the impression that he can stop the slide he has so far survived.
It's easy to copy somebody else's idea and make a success of it. MOL has tried to achieve the success that most airlines gain in mergers and aquisitions and has failed misserably.
To me has proven that he really has no business foresight and had a severe knee jerk reaction to the rather more clever deal brokered by EZY.
Reagan uped his defence budget in the 80's and the USSR followed and consequently fell because of it. Is Stelios really that clever?
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Yes we have been told that unless we apply online and pay £50 we will not get jobs if Buzz is closed in October. This gets Ryanair around TUPE again as we will have been seen to have resigned and started on new contracts ( on probation for a year yet again!).
"Interviews" were carried out last week. But no one could tell us what was going on, what the contract was, bonds etc, a complete waste of time!
The next day at a "Town hall meeting" we were told unless we drop the BALPA TUPE case, oustsanding from the Buzz takeover, due in December that we would not be given permanent contracts. Ryanair as usual are playing their usual dirty tricks!
"Interviews" were carried out last week. But no one could tell us what was going on, what the contract was, bonds etc, a complete waste of time!
The next day at a "Town hall meeting" we were told unless we drop the BALPA TUPE case, oustsanding from the Buzz takeover, due in December that we would not be given permanent contracts. Ryanair as usual are playing their usual dirty tricks!