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A330 Retard san, you and many like you were asked to sign a contract offered to you, and which you, in good faith, expected would be honored.
Is it so unfair of you to expect to be given that which you were promised, in return for you honoring your contract?
If a father has two children, should he not treat them equally?
Honorable choyo, there was no bait, merely a suggestion that it is all too easy to unravel a hand woven garment that has taken many hours to knit, by pulling on one thread.
Is it so unfair of you to expect to be given that which you were promised, in return for you honoring your contract?
If a father has two children, should he not treat them equally?
Honorable choyo, there was no bait, merely a suggestion that it is all too easy to unravel a hand woven garment that has taken many hours to knit, by pulling on one thread.
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So do people here plan on leaving this dishonorable and untrustworthy airline for greener pastures?
I mean why put up with the BS,just simply leave and find employment back home where you can be with your family & be in the working environment which suits you.
I'm sure the money wouldn't be an issue.
I mean why put up with the BS,just simply leave and find employment back home where you can be with your family & be in the working environment which suits you.
I'm sure the money wouldn't be an issue.
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Lets stay on the centerline guys………we started off by attacking KAL’s management for the way we’re being treated and now some of you are defending KAL and openly attacking our fellow colleagues!
The “authors” of the various letters to KAL management are to be complimented and not ridiculed for their actions! At least some of us seem to have the balls to take management on, despite their motives!
Unless we stand united, we have no hope in hell of improving the quality of life on the Korean peninsula or raising the standards in general.
The “authors” of the various letters to KAL management are to be complimented and not ridiculed for their actions! At least some of us seem to have the balls to take management on, despite their motives!
Unless we stand united, we have no hope in hell of improving the quality of life on the Korean peninsula or raising the standards in general.
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Well said Capt. Kimchi.
It's all well and good attacking others here on this forum, but those who do so, do under the protection of anonymity.
Those who stood up and had the guts to put pen to paper should be applauded for their stand.
One for all and all for one, I say.
It's all well and good attacking others here on this forum, but those who do so, do under the protection of anonymity.
Those who stood up and had the guts to put pen to paper should be applauded for their stand.
One for all and all for one, I say.
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A message on KAL's CREWLINK was sent to everyone who co-signed the letter from Dave Gerrard to management requesting an explanation as to why they signed the letter in the first place!
Guess heads will roll as KAL management are determined to show their strength!
God help anyone who signed any of these letters!
There are vacancies here at ASIANA for anyone seeking employment ...........
Best of luck!
Guess heads will roll as KAL management are determined to show their strength!
God help anyone who signed any of these letters!
There are vacancies here at ASIANA for anyone seeking employment ...........
Best of luck!
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Dear BelowClouds
I wouldn't get too hopeful about help from Asinaaav8r.
I suspect he's just someone who likes stirring on forums!
KAL probably will be recruiting again soon, and in spite of the justified moans and groans, it is a reasonable contract.
It is hard work with lots of frustrations - yes, I did sign THAT letter - but things are getting better in many ways, the flying is fun, and most of the local pilots are friendly and helpful as far as their English language skills allow. If the US dollar could recover its former value the pay would be fairly good!
It's certainly not Korean Air's fault that the dollar has crashed.
I wouldn't get too hopeful about help from Asinaaav8r.
I suspect he's just someone who likes stirring on forums!
KAL probably will be recruiting again soon, and in spite of the justified moans and groans, it is a reasonable contract.
It is hard work with lots of frustrations - yes, I did sign THAT letter - but things are getting better in many ways, the flying is fun, and most of the local pilots are friendly and helpful as far as their English language skills allow. If the US dollar could recover its former value the pay would be fairly good!
It's certainly not Korean Air's fault that the dollar has crashed.
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Atlantic Baron: I see you¡¯re new to PPRune as you¡¯ve only posted one thread!
I¡¯m not a stirrer as you seem to think! Was Dave Gerrard not called in to the office very soon after he submitted his letter? Within hours I believe! Did management not send out a CREWLINK message to all the signatories to Gerrard¡¯s letter?
I haven¡¯t criticized KAL or the working conditions, I have only stated facts and trust me when I say that there will be repercussions to all that were party to the letters!
Senior management are only waiting for the return of your AVP from his days off to fully address this problem.
I agree that the working conditions at KAL are probably the best there is for us contract pilots but you all agreed and accepted the terms and conditions of employment before you signed on so it¡¯s no use bitching about the conditions now. Management may have been wrong in altering terms and conditions without the agreement of the foreign pilots but this is to be expected in this part of the world.
You¡¯ve been given a portion of what the local¡¯s received as a safety bonus (approximately 30%) so why not push for the rest?
I congratulate the authors of these letters in question, but you must remember that they have very little to loose. Any former BA/Cathay/Lufthansa or Qantas pilot, only here to top up their pensions can say what they like but anyone else is treading on very thin ice!
Why only this morning (Monday 16 Aug), Messrs. Chung and Jun in your administration department were given the list of signatories (names and employee numbers) from Senior management ........... I wonder why?
I¡¯m not a stirrer as you seem to think! Was Dave Gerrard not called in to the office very soon after he submitted his letter? Within hours I believe! Did management not send out a CREWLINK message to all the signatories to Gerrard¡¯s letter?
I haven¡¯t criticized KAL or the working conditions, I have only stated facts and trust me when I say that there will be repercussions to all that were party to the letters!
Senior management are only waiting for the return of your AVP from his days off to fully address this problem.
I agree that the working conditions at KAL are probably the best there is for us contract pilots but you all agreed and accepted the terms and conditions of employment before you signed on so it¡¯s no use bitching about the conditions now. Management may have been wrong in altering terms and conditions without the agreement of the foreign pilots but this is to be expected in this part of the world.
You¡¯ve been given a portion of what the local¡¯s received as a safety bonus (approximately 30%) so why not push for the rest?
I congratulate the authors of these letters in question, but you must remember that they have very little to loose. Any former BA/Cathay/Lufthansa or Qantas pilot, only here to top up their pensions can say what they like but anyone else is treading on very thin ice!
Why only this morning (Monday 16 Aug), Messrs. Chung and Jun in your administration department were given the list of signatories (names and employee numbers) from Senior management ........... I wonder why?
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Gentlemen:
Once again, you’re straying from the main objectives here, and that is to draw management’s attention to the concerns of the foreign pilots at KAL.
The letters submitted by whomever have obviously touched a very sensitive nerve and as a result, there may be changes (for the better) in the weeks and months to come.
There may also be retaliation from KE’s management but this is to be expected.
Personally, I feel any retaliation will be against the authors and not the signatories of these letters.
Our “safety bonus” has been paid and this I’m sure was a direct result of the postings on this website.
If our 10% pay cut, sick days, loss of deadhead time, scheduling problems etc etc are addressed by management, then we only have the authors of these letters to thank – someone needed to speak up!
Management’s real concern is that the foreign pilots who have served with a Korean corporation for a specified number of years are now legally able to establish their own union under new Korean Government legislature!
Once again, you’re straying from the main objectives here, and that is to draw management’s attention to the concerns of the foreign pilots at KAL.
The letters submitted by whomever have obviously touched a very sensitive nerve and as a result, there may be changes (for the better) in the weeks and months to come.
There may also be retaliation from KE’s management but this is to be expected.
Personally, I feel any retaliation will be against the authors and not the signatories of these letters.
Our “safety bonus” has been paid and this I’m sure was a direct result of the postings on this website.
If our 10% pay cut, sick days, loss of deadhead time, scheduling problems etc etc are addressed by management, then we only have the authors of these letters to thank – someone needed to speak up!
Management’s real concern is that the foreign pilots who have served with a Korean corporation for a specified number of years are now legally able to establish their own union under new Korean Government legislature!
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Well, why don't we start to form a union, or at least a pilots association? And what can management do to those of us who cosigned this letter. I would like to know, should I be concerned........me thinks no.
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If conditions for the foreign captains doesn't improve in the very near future, I forsee a mass exodus of 744, 777, 737 and possibly 330 captains to mainland China, now recruting foreign pilots through various agencies - Rishworth, Euro Pacific etc.
Same days off and travel benefits, but a better income package I hear.
Anyone interested in seeking greener pasyures (without the possibility of blue tails on the landscape) contact the agencies without delay.
We've got a portion of the Safety Bonus and rumor has it that a 10% per diem increase in in the pipeline! 20-30% would be more in line with current costs and inflation rates!
Same days off and travel benefits, but a better income package I hear.
Anyone interested in seeking greener pasyures (without the possibility of blue tails on the landscape) contact the agencies without delay.
We've got a portion of the Safety Bonus and rumor has it that a 10% per diem increase in in the pipeline! 20-30% would be more in line with current costs and inflation rates!
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Morning Calm:
I think your infomation is incorrect........we (the foreign captains) all got exactly what the national captains received as a Safety Bonus.
Secondly, there's no talk of a per diem increase and this came straight from the AVP who returned from his days of on Monday.
You are right however on the China recruitment drive and I already have an application on it's way to one of the agents mentioned.
My compliments to "the Authors" of the various letters in question as your efforts have been actioned by KAL Management!
PPRUne Moderators:
Have some threads to this posting been removed or modified? There was an A330 Retard who made some fairly serious statements about "the Authors" in question but these appear to have been removed!
I think your infomation is incorrect........we (the foreign captains) all got exactly what the national captains received as a Safety Bonus.
Secondly, there's no talk of a per diem increase and this came straight from the AVP who returned from his days of on Monday.
You are right however on the China recruitment drive and I already have an application on it's way to one of the agents mentioned.
My compliments to "the Authors" of the various letters in question as your efforts have been actioned by KAL Management!
PPRUne Moderators:
Have some threads to this posting been removed or modified? There was an A330 Retard who made some fairly serious statements about "the Authors" in question but these appear to have been removed!
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As the saying goes: "THE TRUTH ALWAYS HURTS"
My posting where I named the Authors of these letters have obviously touched a nerve with the parties concerned and it would appear that the PPRune moderators (fearing any litigation) have removed these postings.
Without mentioning names (as this posting will no doubt also be removed), the former A600 captain, now a 400 driver who is extremely good with his "pen-work" is often seen on his days off in the OC Building "smooching" with senior management and claiming that he has DDO's ear!
This nasty individual obviously suffers from what is commonly called: "little man syndrome".
Yes- the truth hurts!
Perhaps a communication with his former employers in Kuwait will verify his past experience!
The agencies do very little background checks, as all they're concerned with is putting "bums in seats" and getting their fees!
Lets see how long this posting is kept on before being "moderated"?
My posting where I named the Authors of these letters have obviously touched a nerve with the parties concerned and it would appear that the PPRune moderators (fearing any litigation) have removed these postings.
Without mentioning names (as this posting will no doubt also be removed), the former A600 captain, now a 400 driver who is extremely good with his "pen-work" is often seen on his days off in the OC Building "smooching" with senior management and claiming that he has DDO's ear!
This nasty individual obviously suffers from what is commonly called: "little man syndrome".
Yes- the truth hurts!
Perhaps a communication with his former employers in Kuwait will verify his past experience!
The agencies do very little background checks, as all they're concerned with is putting "bums in seats" and getting their fees!
Lets see how long this posting is kept on before being "moderated"?
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I am not from Korean(KAL) but I understand what the local pilots are going through, having to fly with you guys..
Remember it is their airline and their country you have a job in.
Be gratefull to them for giving you a job, and I am very sure if they did not hire you guys, 50% of you guys would be on the street JOBLESS because the company you'll' used to work for in your own country went BANKRUPT.
So guys if you dont like what they are doing to your pay or life "LEAVE", go back to your OWN country and try and get a job.
Go work for all those low cost start-ups in your country and then compare them with KAL and see who treats you better or who pays you better.
Remember dont take your frustrations out on your first officers or other colleagues just because you dont get what you want.
You call yourselves Captains
Remember it is their airline and their country you have a job in.
Be gratefull to them for giving you a job, and I am very sure if they did not hire you guys, 50% of you guys would be on the street JOBLESS because the company you'll' used to work for in your own country went BANKRUPT.
So guys if you dont like what they are doing to your pay or life "LEAVE", go back to your OWN country and try and get a job.
Go work for all those low cost start-ups in your country and then compare them with KAL and see who treats you better or who pays you better.
Remember dont take your frustrations out on your first officers or other colleagues just because you dont get what you want.
You call yourselves Captains
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I am not from Korean(KAL) but I understand what the local pilots are going through, having to fly with you guys..
And let's put it on the other foot...how about what we guys have to go through when flying with a local F/O?? (not generalizing that all are bad pilots, either).
It may not be our country or our airline, but we were brought in for a reason, and a damn good one at that. We are considered "employees" of the airline and we deserve not to be treated like
and have double standards applied.
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what we guys have to go through when flying with a local
If it's too much of a headache then simply forget KE & leave,maybe back home to be with your family & in an environment which suits you best.
It's not like someone is forcing you to stay,there are plenty of airlines hiring atm so there are other options.
Please don't take it the wrong way,i'm not trying to stir you up.
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I just tell you a little story happend in the the past days here:
F/O who is the PF starts to desend on a VISUAL pattern without fear below 1000 ft Radio ALtimeter on Base.... I asked him to maintain 1000 ft until 3 miles final he still desends with -750 ft. I asked him again to maintain now 900 ft and no reaction...... at 800 ft I could not resist and pushed the ALT Hold. It did not surprise me at all. So I did my job and monitored the progress. What would have happen if another CM1 would be on the left seat? GPWS is not for normal operation..... but it seems sometimes. Did my colluage learned anything ?? No I fear not.
That is just a usual thing, We do not blame the F/O`s. They can only ba as good as they are trained and there is a huge area who ask`s for improvement. Believe me, what you read here in this forum is just the peak if the Iceberg.......
The Airline I worked before is still in business and I would have a job there as well. Here are not the "leftovers" of the industrie. Just to look at the other side of the coin... why do you think KAL had about 50 resignations since 2002.... after 9/11 even???
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F/O who is the PF starts to desend on a VISUAL pattern without fear below 1000 ft Radio ALtimeter on Base.... I asked him to maintain 1000 ft until 3 miles final he still desends with -750 ft. I asked him again to maintain now 900 ft and no reaction...... at 800 ft I could not resist and pushed the ALT Hold. It did not surprise me at all. So I did my job and monitored the progress. What would have happen if another CM1 would be on the left seat? GPWS is not for normal operation..... but it seems sometimes. Did my colluage learned anything ?? No I fear not.
That is just a usual thing, We do not blame the F/O`s. They can only ba as good as they are trained and there is a huge area who ask`s for improvement. Believe me, what you read here in this forum is just the peak if the Iceberg.......
The Airline I worked before is still in business and I would have a job there as well. Here are not the "leftovers" of the industrie. Just to look at the other side of the coin... why do you think KAL had about 50 resignations since 2002.... after 9/11 even???
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