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Old 16th Jul 2004, 12:48
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blue panorama " engine fire "

16/07/2004 - 14:22
Un aeromobile Blue Panorama con un motore in fiamme rientra a Fiumicino

Un B767 di Blue Panorama con 273 passeggeri a bordo pi 8 membri di equipaggio, poco dopo esser decollato alle 11,30 da Fiumicino diretto al l'Avana, stato costretto ad effettuare un atterraggio di emergenza per un motore in fiamme. L'aereo rientrato con la procedura di emergenza, con i mezzi di soccorso schierati in pista, e i passeggeri per motivi di sicurezza sono stati fatti scendere con gli scivoli. Nessun danno ai passeggeri e all'equipaggio

B 767 BPA with 273 pax on board after t/o from fco , direct to Havana , back to fco with an engine fire . No injury!!!!

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Old 16th Jul 2004, 13:03
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Grazie palmizio.

Just to add that the pax used the emgency slides. Wonderful that no-one was injured, but if the engine was "in flames", maybe it got a bit singed too ?

Yes, I do know0 engines burn fuel all the time.

Probably another fanciful piece of reporting. More info would be interesting.

Has this operator not been in the news recently ?

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Reports I hear are flames out of engine on take off but when I saw it land (very fast and probably on take off flaps) I saw no flames or smoke. Airport was closed for about an hour causing mayhem on the ground for departures and arrivals. Aircraft still on R/Way 16L at 1600 local time.
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(very fast and probably on take off flaps)
I honestly doubt you could see the difference from the ground between a normal or fast approach.

If the same flapsetting is used for landing as was used for takeoff, which I sincerely doubt, then I would call it landing flaps afterwards :-). There are offcourse several landing flap settings, and it seems wise to me, in case of an immediate return where you're very heavy, to make use of full flaps and reduce the groundspeed before touchdown.

I must admit, we have a standard procedure, to land in case of an engine failure with a little less flaps, although technically we're allowed to land with full flaps.


PS And offcourse a big compliment to the crew!
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Old 16th Jul 2004, 20:18
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slide deployment

Just to add that the pax used the emgency slides. Wonderful that no-one was injured, but if the engine was "in flames", maybe it got a bit singed too ?
Ciao Ou Trek Donkie, I just wanted to say that probably the captain gave orders not to open the doors and deploy the slides on the side of the plane where the engine was on fire.
It is usually the case on premeditated emergency landings, during the so often called "NITS" briefing the captain gives specific instructions to the cabin crew if and how evacuate the passengers, and what exits to use.

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Hi all,
what I think, after flying 14 years a stewardess, is that some pax and cabin crew noticed flames just after engine on ( and as pilots knows, it happens more often than thought coz of some fuel in the back of the engine ).
Maybe people scared and cabin crew reported to cockpit - I don't think they have any signal of burning engine in this case - but, staying at wht journal said, they discharge the BCF into the engine, called firemen and returned to the runway. Theres no seem to be fire after landing, so I don't who commananded the evacuation and from which slides, but what is important is that everythig went well

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"very fast and probably on take off flaps"

If he had Havana fuel and was smart enough not to dump with an engine fire he would be a bit heavy!

Ergo, also a bit fast!
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Nothing to stop you from dumping if the fire is out.
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Old 17th Jul 2004, 05:24
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Ciao FBW,

I only put that bit about the slides as palmizio didn't refer to it in his translation. It's always a very difficult decision whether or not to deploy the slides after "flames in the engine" unquote.

What is important is that whatever the reason for the early return, the emergency exit went like a charm. So full marks to all concerned. It's very easy to injure yourself on the slide and I believe quite remarkable it didn't happen here.

If the captain had waited for steps to arrive, I guess the pax would still be in the aircraft 30 minutes later, knowing FCO slightly. It sometimes takes 15 minutes to get the air bridge doors open.

I didn't get the bit about the smell of burning tyres. The aircraft was obviously very heavy and must have used plenty brakes. Remember you get a guarantee you will stop before the end of the runway, but there is always a great chance the brakes will be on fire, maybe that's what you meant ?

As for skunkie, you are probably right. I remember something similar with fuel collecting aft of the hot section and burning once the revs got up, but can't remember the technical details. We didn't deploy the slides.

Again, the crew done good.

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It may also happen that, in case of an engine stall, the vibrations could smash up fuel pipes.
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The ANSV (the Italian Air Safety Agency) has issued a short message in which it confirms that the aircraft landed above MLW on runway 34L.

No fuel dump was performed because of the engine fire, and the heavy landing made the gear tyres go into overtemp, therefore EI-CXO is still stuck on the runway (at least it was at the time the briefing was written).

The full text is available here: http://www.ansv.it/It/Detail.asp?ID=312
(Italian only at the mo).

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I bet Pecci will sack the Capt. for not pressing on to HAV !!!!!
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I believe that Benito Pecci will fire soon both the captain and the first officer!. Italian investigation should be... rock 'n roll!!!!!!!
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If you do not know if the FIRE / OVERHEAT was under control you can not make any reasonable comment on anything that happened on this flight.
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Old 18th Jul 2004, 21:17
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Listen mense,

After an incident/ crash or whatever, don't say nothing to no-one, capsische ?

Believe me, oTd knows what he recommends. I been there man.

Least said, soonest mended.

Better to be thought a fooolish Commandante instead of opening your mouth and proving it.

Terrific good luck to the crew who brought back a sick aerie and didn't hurt no-one. You done good Signori. Might have been different, page one on CNN ........

I reckon they are stars.

Ciao da ou Trek dronkie
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Hi all

Being good friends involved in this case (including my house mate) I must say that cheap irony about Benito Pecci does not make me laugh in this occasion.
The Cpt. on the flight was a great one (ex "Frecce Tricolori") and even the N.1 was a BPA safety trainer. No one will get fire on this occasion ... and just a well done to all the crew!
I have seen pics of the engine ... no joke folks!
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Latest news:
Looks like the fire originated from a return high pressure flexible pipe. Apparently it was installed by Delta (they overhauled the engine) in the wrong way, allowing it to torque. The problem was not visible, as there was a plastic sleeve covering the pipe.
It started leaking during taxi, and lots of fuel collected in the lower part of the cowling. At T/O power, and the extremely high pressure associated, the pipe sprayed serious quantities of fuel around te cowling. Te fuel, now nebulized, ignited and exploded. This happened, like in everybody's worst nightmare, at V1. Handling pilot was the F/O, with very few hours on his back. Capt. decided to continue, aware of the 186800 kgs following him. Engine still gave thrust, gear was raised immediately, ENG FIRE recall items at 400' but fire still there. After both bottles emptied fire would not go out. Capt took control, decided to do a 90/270 to get back to Rwy 34L, so the fire would be downwind from the plane. Kept flaps 5, finished QRH, talked to passengers, advised crew of likely evacuation when on ground because of a right engine fire and possible gear fire. Landed from a visual, flaps 20, single engine, Vref 179 Kts, 186 tons, pax screaming their heads off. Smooth touch down, max braking, one reverser actuated, stopped just after the intersection with 07/25.
When stopped, fire indication still on. Evacuated the 273 pax in 80 seconds, not a single broken leg. Capt. left the plane via the rear left door as advertised. Firefighters put out the fire, still working its way thru hydraulics, electrics and oil. Total time in the air just over 4 mins, max altitude reached 1400'.
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Sounds like a bloody good show then. Well done to the skipper and his crew. Professionals at work.
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