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As I work in aviation (and presumably most people on these forums do)
Too many people make wide ranging statements with no profile - ie. anonomously and then get upset when no one takes them seriously.
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You may be interested to know that BA 146's are frequent visitors to STN for maintenance at Inflite.
And of course there are several based here too. (Titan)
And of course there are several based here too. (Titan)
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Tinstaafl, in the UK, irrespective of what a pilot reports to ATC, the controller declares one of seven levels of emergency. The words below come from the controllers bible (MATS Part 1):
As the good book says, there may be some local variations but these are normally more specific criteria for declaring a paricular level of emergency or additional categories.
BTW, the controller can declare an emergency even if the pilot doesn't declare a PAN or MAYDAY (or even if the pilot doesn't say anything).
[Edited coz I can't count]
5.2 The following terms are in general use but individual variations and extra terms may be found in local emergency orders.
5.2.1 Aircraft Accident/Aircraft Accident Imminent
When an aircraft accident has occurred or is inevitable on, or in the vicinity of the aerodrome. (At some units Aircraft Accident covers both situations).
5.2.2 Aircraft Ground Incident
When an aircraft on the ground is known to have an emergency situation other than an accident which requires the attendance of emergency services.
5.2.3 Full Emergency
When an aircraft is known or is suspected to be in such trouble that there is danger of an accident.
5.2.4 Local Standby
a) When an aircraft is known or suspected to have developed some defect, but one which would not normally involve any serious difficulty in effecting a safe landing;
b) When an aircraft is to be searched following a bomb warning;
c) When an aircraft requires inspection by the aerodrome fire service.
5.2.5 Local Standby (Weather) or Weather Standby
When weather conditions are such as to render a landing or take-off difficult or difficult to observe (e.g. strong crosswind, poor visibility, ice or snow on the runway etc.).
5.2.6 Local Standby (Royal Flights)
When a Royal Flight is landing or taking off.
5.2.7 Domestic Fire
Any fire:
a) on the aerodrome, not included in the categories above;
b) outside the aerodrome boundary (other than an aircraft accident) which is liable to constitute a danger to flying or aerodrome property;
5.2.1 Aircraft Accident/Aircraft Accident Imminent
When an aircraft accident has occurred or is inevitable on, or in the vicinity of the aerodrome. (At some units Aircraft Accident covers both situations).
5.2.2 Aircraft Ground Incident
When an aircraft on the ground is known to have an emergency situation other than an accident which requires the attendance of emergency services.
5.2.3 Full Emergency
When an aircraft is known or is suspected to be in such trouble that there is danger of an accident.
5.2.4 Local Standby
a) When an aircraft is known or suspected to have developed some defect, but one which would not normally involve any serious difficulty in effecting a safe landing;
b) When an aircraft is to be searched following a bomb warning;
c) When an aircraft requires inspection by the aerodrome fire service.
5.2.5 Local Standby (Weather) or Weather Standby
When weather conditions are such as to render a landing or take-off difficult or difficult to observe (e.g. strong crosswind, poor visibility, ice or snow on the runway etc.).
5.2.6 Local Standby (Royal Flights)
When a Royal Flight is landing or taking off.
5.2.7 Domestic Fire
Any fire:
a) on the aerodrome, not included in the categories above;
b) outside the aerodrome boundary (other than an aircraft accident) which is liable to constitute a danger to flying or aerodrome property;
BTW, the controller can declare an emergency even if the pilot doesn't declare a PAN or MAYDAY (or even if the pilot doesn't say anything).
[Edited coz I can't count]
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Say your wife or partner was on that flight and you read this post
I will not repeat myself any further and fuel this disagreement as I feel it is now taking up valuable bandwidth and other peoples time.
Apologies again for any 'panic and worry' felt.
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I also have to agree there was absolutely nothing wrong with the original post.
'Have You Heard This': I'm sorry but I feel you overreacted. Clarification was asked for, thats all. No panic was raised in the slightest. If you are familiar with aviation, and I'm sure you have picked up from your relative exactly how uneventful some emergencies can be, you should know that emergencies happen daily and it certainly does not mean anything disasterous.
Even if it had have been someone saying, "hey, guess what I've heard....", this is a RUMOUR network after all.
I stood and watched an aircraft go down behind my house once. My first thought was if my housemate was on board as they had left 90 mins before to report for a flight, my second thought was the pax and other crew I may know, and the third was whose house it had crashed on. My first instinct was to jump in my car with my hi-vis, torch and airside pass to drive the 800 yards down the road to see if I can help. I found out as I pulled off the driveway it was a cargo plane with just 4 crew, no pax, no friends. I was overtaken by two airport fire engines so returned home.
Within 15 minutes I had received 6 phonecalls from colleagues and family checking I was ok as it was in my area. Thats how fast news travels.
What I'm saying is if it was serious, ie catastophic, you would have seen many more than one post appear on here i'm fairly sure, or received calls, or there would have been a newsflash. If you reacted this way to a post which did not mention any catastrophic or non-catastrophic outcome, how would you have reacted standing in that same spot I was?
'Have You Heard This': I'm sorry but I feel you overreacted. Clarification was asked for, thats all. No panic was raised in the slightest. If you are familiar with aviation, and I'm sure you have picked up from your relative exactly how uneventful some emergencies can be, you should know that emergencies happen daily and it certainly does not mean anything disasterous.
Even if it had have been someone saying, "hey, guess what I've heard....", this is a RUMOUR network after all.
I stood and watched an aircraft go down behind my house once. My first thought was if my housemate was on board as they had left 90 mins before to report for a flight, my second thought was the pax and other crew I may know, and the third was whose house it had crashed on. My first instinct was to jump in my car with my hi-vis, torch and airside pass to drive the 800 yards down the road to see if I can help. I found out as I pulled off the driveway it was a cargo plane with just 4 crew, no pax, no friends. I was overtaken by two airport fire engines so returned home.
Within 15 minutes I had received 6 phonecalls from colleagues and family checking I was ok as it was in my area. Thats how fast news travels.
What I'm saying is if it was serious, ie catastophic, you would have seen many more than one post appear on here i'm fairly sure, or received calls, or there would have been a newsflash. If you reacted this way to a post which did not mention any catastrophic or non-catastrophic outcome, how would you have reacted standing in that same spot I was?
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Just out of interest, if the a/c didn't land safely, and people were injured / killed, would no-one be allowed to mention it on a 'Rumours & News' forum out of respect???
Surely this site is about posting news!!
Do you use this website regularly to check if your family members and friends had a good day at work?
Perhaps we should get someone to sit at the end of the runway and post a notice after ever flight lands safely, just so you can rest easy!!!
Get a life!!
Surely this site is about posting news!!
Do you use this website regularly to check if your family members and friends had a good day at work?
Perhaps we should get someone to sit at the end of the runway and post a notice after ever flight lands safely, just so you can rest easy!!!
Get a life!!
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Have you heard this......ironic name under the circumstances.
You overreacted. If you don't like such posts, well frankly, you shouldn't be on this board.
It's called Rumours and News after!
You overreacted. If you don't like such posts, well frankly, you shouldn't be on this board.
It's called Rumours and News after!
