GB and B.MED pilots to join th B.A seniority list
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GB and B.MED pilots to join th B.A seniority list
The latest is that GB and B.MED are actively negotiating with B.A to join the B.A seniority list.
Well that's the latest rumour and this is a rumour forum, so can anyone (GB/BMED guys) shed some light?
What do B.A, GB, B.Med and BACX (who have been told 'no joininf ba seniority) pilots think of this?
Well that's the latest rumour and this is a rumour forum, so can anyone (GB/BMED guys) shed some light?
What do B.A, GB, B.Med and BACX (who have been told 'no joininf ba seniority) pilots think of this?
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Well if BMed and GB get on the list before BACX then I think you will see some heavy industrial action on the part of BACX pilots. I think BACX are a long way off the list but who knows stranger things have happened!
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I know it would make sense! Currently a surplus in BACX so if they go on the bottom of BA seniority list, BA will get a know quantity in its pilots and will then also get access to the regions(in terms of commands) and the BACX crews will be able to freely bid into mainline. Any future recruitment that takes place can be through BACX and a new joiner will be frozen to BACX for say three years before being able to bid into mainline. There you go easy! I´m sure BA `Balpa would welcome this!
As a BA pilot I would welcome all these groups onto the main seniority list. We have already been joined by Dan Air and City Flyer so the more the merrier. It would allow those joining to bid for a wider range of types and routes and also allow BA pilots an even wider choice as well. Such a large grouping of pilots would have quite a bit of muscle enabling them to stand up to BA management more effectively thus (potentially) improving all UK pilots terms etc.
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This is of course something that the BA pilots want - they want to fly all jets that have BA painted on the side - and a fair enough aspiration.
Most franchise pilots are happy with their lot, but would be happy to discuss the issue of a merger.
So, if BA guys want this to happen they will have to make it worthwhile for the franchise pilots. A promise that newcomers will be tagged onto the bottom of a huge seniority list in a big company, with serious financial problems (debts of £5 billion etc)and poor industrial relations, in exchange for being part of a friendly outfit where one is an individual with a name and where the companies are profitable, is hardly appetising as things stand at the moment.
If the final deal is merged seniority, equal pay, equal conditions, equal status for equal professionals - franchise pilots would probably help to persuade the shareholders of the franchise companies to agree a merger of all the cockpit workforces. Lets see if BA Balpa are up to the task.
If not - forget it.
Most franchise pilots are happy with their lot, but would be happy to discuss the issue of a merger.
So, if BA guys want this to happen they will have to make it worthwhile for the franchise pilots. A promise that newcomers will be tagged onto the bottom of a huge seniority list in a big company, with serious financial problems (debts of £5 billion etc)and poor industrial relations, in exchange for being part of a friendly outfit where one is an individual with a name and where the companies are profitable, is hardly appetising as things stand at the moment.
If the final deal is merged seniority, equal pay, equal conditions, equal status for equal professionals - franchise pilots would probably help to persuade the shareholders of the franchise companies to agree a merger of all the cockpit workforces. Lets see if BA Balpa are up to the task.
If not - forget it.
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Yawn!
BMed and GB pilots will not allow a merging of the two/three seniority lists which would result in an erosion of their terms and conditions.
To go from being a F/O, number one hundred on the seniority list with an eye on a jet command within one or two years to being number two thousand on a seniority list where the prospects of a command at all are practically non-existent is not a serious option.
This is all being driven by BA pilots, probably F/Os who see no prospects of command therefore feel that they can be stolen from franchise companies elsewhere as they have done at GSS.
The difference here is that Bmed and GB have full Balpa recognition and will not allow this to happen without serious repurcussions.
Both these companies have had the benefit of seeing BA destroy careers and lifestyles in Cityflyer, British Regional and Brymon.
Balpa are fully aware of these issues and the concerns that have been voiced.
BMed and GB pilots will not allow a merging of the two/three seniority lists which would result in an erosion of their terms and conditions.
To go from being a F/O, number one hundred on the seniority list with an eye on a jet command within one or two years to being number two thousand on a seniority list where the prospects of a command at all are practically non-existent is not a serious option.
This is all being driven by BA pilots, probably F/Os who see no prospects of command therefore feel that they can be stolen from franchise companies elsewhere as they have done at GSS.
The difference here is that Bmed and GB have full Balpa recognition and will not allow this to happen without serious repurcussions.
Both these companies have had the benefit of seeing BA destroy careers and lifestyles in Cityflyer, British Regional and Brymon.
Balpa are fully aware of these issues and the concerns that have been voiced.
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I have to say that I think this rumour is incorrect. It is nevertheless true that GB's managing director will be meeting with BALPA's head man, Jim Macauslan, imminently. I cannot imagine it is to discuss the price of fish!
There is no doubt that things are difficult for many companies at the moment and if you are a BA FO right now you could be waiting a very long time for a command. Their situation is exacerbated massively by the possible raising of the retirement age to 60 from 55 and no doubt when the time comes from 60 to 65. That is a 10 year hole where promotion will virtually cease and the 'fat cats' at the top will rob BA blind with excessive salaries. Inevitably eyes must drift elsewhere for promotion - and where better than the likes of BMed and GB who fly decent aircraft? If all else fails you could even apply to join the regions with BACX! The problem is that a master seniority list would almost certainly be extremely disadvantageous to current franchise FOs. Typical seniority for a GB FO is 2 - 3 years and they could never compete with BA FOs even if they were given their date of joining the franchise as a seniority date. In practical terms, not a single GB or BMed FO would ever hold a command in the company they joined as they would always be outbid by BA guys.
Amalgamation of seniority lists is a fraught business as the City Flyer Express case showed. The City Flyer guys have not been altogether happy about their lot, but the reality is that they got a fantastic deal. I heard the other day of one bloke who was a 146 captain who was forceably moved to the 777 as an FO and picks up long haul captain substitution pay! Nice work if you can get it!
The GB franchise is due for renewal in about 4 years. Having missed the opportunity to sort out a scope agreement with BA BALPA a couple of years back, the management at GB have got themselves in a very precarious position which has seriously disadvantaged their pilots. The nearer the renewal of the franchise comes without an agreement on seniority ist amalgamation, the less bargaining power GB will have against the power of BA BALPA. JP is now being forced to meet up with Jim Macauslan and hopefully will sort out some deal that will not leave the current GB pilots between a rock and a hard place in 4 years time. BA have GB by the throat and are preventing them from expanding or advertising in their fight against the low cost operators. Having led GB from a great profit to the brink of its first loss, JP needs to start getting virtually any plan of any kind together to sort out the mess GB are getting into. It could and should be a stunningly successful company, but a succession of unimaginative decisions from the commercial side of the house coupled with virtually no advertising have put GB in a tricky position. One can only hope that the owners take notice of what is going on and inject some sharp vision into the company before it is too late.
There is no doubt that things are difficult for many companies at the moment and if you are a BA FO right now you could be waiting a very long time for a command. Their situation is exacerbated massively by the possible raising of the retirement age to 60 from 55 and no doubt when the time comes from 60 to 65. That is a 10 year hole where promotion will virtually cease and the 'fat cats' at the top will rob BA blind with excessive salaries. Inevitably eyes must drift elsewhere for promotion - and where better than the likes of BMed and GB who fly decent aircraft? If all else fails you could even apply to join the regions with BACX! The problem is that a master seniority list would almost certainly be extremely disadvantageous to current franchise FOs. Typical seniority for a GB FO is 2 - 3 years and they could never compete with BA FOs even if they were given their date of joining the franchise as a seniority date. In practical terms, not a single GB or BMed FO would ever hold a command in the company they joined as they would always be outbid by BA guys.
Amalgamation of seniority lists is a fraught business as the City Flyer Express case showed. The City Flyer guys have not been altogether happy about their lot, but the reality is that they got a fantastic deal. I heard the other day of one bloke who was a 146 captain who was forceably moved to the 777 as an FO and picks up long haul captain substitution pay! Nice work if you can get it!
The GB franchise is due for renewal in about 4 years. Having missed the opportunity to sort out a scope agreement with BA BALPA a couple of years back, the management at GB have got themselves in a very precarious position which has seriously disadvantaged their pilots. The nearer the renewal of the franchise comes without an agreement on seniority ist amalgamation, the less bargaining power GB will have against the power of BA BALPA. JP is now being forced to meet up with Jim Macauslan and hopefully will sort out some deal that will not leave the current GB pilots between a rock and a hard place in 4 years time. BA have GB by the throat and are preventing them from expanding or advertising in their fight against the low cost operators. Having led GB from a great profit to the brink of its first loss, JP needs to start getting virtually any plan of any kind together to sort out the mess GB are getting into. It could and should be a stunningly successful company, but a succession of unimaginative decisions from the commercial side of the house coupled with virtually no advertising have put GB in a tricky position. One can only hope that the owners take notice of what is going on and inject some sharp vision into the company before it is too late.
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Nearly right - It's his shorthaul Captains pay that is protected, slightly less than the equivalent LH rate.
I heard the other day of one bloke who was a 146 captain who was forceably moved to the 777 as an FO and picks up long haul captain substitution pay! Nice work if you can get it!
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Being an ignoramus, could someone enlighten me?
What are the pros/cons of merging GBA's and BMed's seniority lists with BA's? They may be franchisees but they are independent companies with, presumably, their own T&Cs. Presuming that both companies continue as independents why even consider merging the lists as it would seem a) this would reduce BMed/GBA's flexibility in negotiating T&Cs with their own pilots and b) would probably cause all sorts of dissatisfaction among crews over an issue that (to an uninformed outsider) doesn't appear to be relevant? I can see that if BA decided to buy the franchisees (as per BACX) then the issue becomes real but, in the meantime . . . ?
What are the pros/cons of merging GBA's and BMed's seniority lists with BA's? They may be franchisees but they are independent companies with, presumably, their own T&Cs. Presuming that both companies continue as independents why even consider merging the lists as it would seem a) this would reduce BMed/GBA's flexibility in negotiating T&Cs with their own pilots and b) would probably cause all sorts of dissatisfaction among crews over an issue that (to an uninformed outsider) doesn't appear to be relevant? I can see that if BA decided to buy the franchisees (as per BACX) then the issue becomes real but, in the meantime . . . ?
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I've got an idea:
All those from BACX, GB and BMed that wish to fly for mainline BA apply in the forthcoming recruitment camoaign and, if successful, welcome aboard! As has been said previously, the more the merrier.
If you're happy with your company as it is then stay there and continue being happy.
Everyone wins.
No offence meant to the GB/BMed guys, I'm just pissed off listening to the ex-CFE whingers/failures that have landed on their feet at BA and fail to see it.
All those from BACX, GB and BMed that wish to fly for mainline BA apply in the forthcoming recruitment camoaign and, if successful, welcome aboard! As has been said previously, the more the merrier.
If you're happy with your company as it is then stay there and continue being happy.
Everyone wins.
No offence meant to the GB/BMed guys, I'm just pissed off listening to the ex-CFE whingers/failures that have landed on their feet at BA and fail to see it.
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The idea behind SCOPE, as I understand it, is that all BA aircraft (i.e. painted in BA colours and operating on a BA licenced route) are flown by BA pilots (i.e. all pilots to be on a BA mainline contract which means receiving BA terms and conditions).
This is all driven by BA pilots who want to have their cake and be able to eat it. It is BA pilots who see SCOPE as a way of getting commands earlier than they otherwise would by stealing them from elsewhere. No-one at GB or BMed is knocking on BA's door asking to be let in because they are perfectly happy with what they have. The lifestyle, the rostering, the pay. The only thing that BA have to offer is a final salary pension scheme and that, as I understand it, is no longer available to new entrants. If existing captains within these franchise companies were offered a BA mainline contract with a final salary pension and the opportunity to bid for any fleet within BA by having a merged seniority list then I'm sure most would jump at the chance. But what about the poor F/Os?
When you join a company such as BA or Britannia you accept that you will have to wait a considerable time for a command vacancy to appear as very few people leave. Why should BA pilots be allowed to bully independent companies into accepting agreements that only benefit BA pilots?
'Oh, these franchise companies should be thankful that they have been given business by BA and without BA they would not exist.' But these companies all existed prior to the franchising that was put in place by Bob Ayling. It suited BA back then to have franchise companies that paid a hefty annual fee for the right to operate BA routes in BA colours with BA advertising, BA marketing and BA ground handling.
So what has changed? Well now BA aren't doing so well. Poor staff relations, pension deficit and high overheads not to mention competition from low cost operators. In comparison these franchise companies are doing well financially and so BA pilots want a piece of the action.
Why can't BA leave these independent companies alone? They make money and provide BA with a guaranteed income. Any talk of merged seniority lists or even worse, a complete takeover, would see an end to all that as we have already seen with Cityflyer.
I invite comment from those BA pilots who are involved in this whole SCOPE issue...
The idea behind SCOPE, as I understand it, is that all BA aircraft (i.e. painted in BA colours and operating on a BA licenced route) are flown by BA pilots (i.e. all pilots to be on a BA mainline contract which means receiving BA terms and conditions).
This is all driven by BA pilots who want to have their cake and be able to eat it. It is BA pilots who see SCOPE as a way of getting commands earlier than they otherwise would by stealing them from elsewhere. No-one at GB or BMed is knocking on BA's door asking to be let in because they are perfectly happy with what they have. The lifestyle, the rostering, the pay. The only thing that BA have to offer is a final salary pension scheme and that, as I understand it, is no longer available to new entrants. If existing captains within these franchise companies were offered a BA mainline contract with a final salary pension and the opportunity to bid for any fleet within BA by having a merged seniority list then I'm sure most would jump at the chance. But what about the poor F/Os?
When you join a company such as BA or Britannia you accept that you will have to wait a considerable time for a command vacancy to appear as very few people leave. Why should BA pilots be allowed to bully independent companies into accepting agreements that only benefit BA pilots?
'Oh, these franchise companies should be thankful that they have been given business by BA and without BA they would not exist.' But these companies all existed prior to the franchising that was put in place by Bob Ayling. It suited BA back then to have franchise companies that paid a hefty annual fee for the right to operate BA routes in BA colours with BA advertising, BA marketing and BA ground handling.
So what has changed? Well now BA aren't doing so well. Poor staff relations, pension deficit and high overheads not to mention competition from low cost operators. In comparison these franchise companies are doing well financially and so BA pilots want a piece of the action.
Why can't BA leave these independent companies alone? They make money and provide BA with a guaranteed income. Any talk of merged seniority lists or even worse, a complete takeover, would see an end to all that as we have already seen with Cityflyer.
I invite comment from those BA pilots who are involved in this whole SCOPE issue...
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I think you have missed the point-GB pilots are happy but their future is being put in jeopardy by the BA pilots and their SCOPE agreement. Not content with the security that it provides for them, BA pilots they are now coming looking for commands. Doesn't sound fair to me and it doesn't sound fair to alot of other people either.
I think you have missed the point-GB pilots are happy but their future is being put in jeopardy by the BA pilots and their SCOPE agreement. Not content with the security that it provides for them, BA pilots they are now coming looking for commands. Doesn't sound fair to me and it doesn't sound fair to alot of other people either.
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GB and BMED come with cabin crew too -- What will BA do with these ?? 
Bmed -- Why do we not hear very much from you boys and girls ? What do you guys think about these rumours which get stronger by the year ?
BA pilots should note that unlike CFE - We operate A320/321's so would a merger would be a lot less painful than CFE.
BA Pilots yet again show their arrogance, not only by considering using the SCOPE agreement to dump BA SFO's into the LHS within the Franchisees
- They also think that we would be ever so grateful to join the long BA seniority list and sit around for upto 15/20 years for a command. 
Personally, I am very happy, thank you very much, with what I have got !
Bmed -- Why do we not hear very much from you boys and girls ? What do you guys think about these rumours which get stronger by the year ?
BA pilots should note that unlike CFE - We operate A320/321's so would a merger would be a lot less painful than CFE.
BA Pilots yet again show their arrogance, not only by considering using the SCOPE agreement to dump BA SFO's into the LHS within the Franchisees
- They also think that we would be ever so grateful to join the long BA seniority list and sit around for upto 15/20 years for a command. Personally, I am very happy, thank you very much, with what I have got !
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Judging by "round midnights" other "quality" gossip I would suggest he is another frustrated BA manager eating some pie in the sky.
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Wake up fellows, the seniority system is a burden of the past century ! This crappy system will disappear sooner or later and will finally open the gates for a performance based assessment tool.
Ever wonder why this industry is suffering so badly?
Two reasons among others:
1) Seniority system
2) Unions
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Ever wonder why this industry is suffering so badly?
Two reasons among others:
1) Seniority system
2) Unions
Cheers
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But without seniority we are open to El Corruption are we not?
Don't much fancy landing on fumes all the time to get on the right side of a performance based assesment tool - which btw isn't a very nice name for a management pilot!
Don't much fancy landing on fumes all the time to get on the right side of a performance based assesment tool - which btw isn't a very nice name for a management pilot!
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AT BMed they are in the process of expanding and making good profits. They are recruiting new managers, trainers etc. Also the majority of their routes and slots are their own and the investors are mainly foreign. Therefore they would seem unlikely to yield to pressures from BA at the current time.
However, never say never - it could happen. However, one huge difference over the GSS situation is that BMed have over 75% BALPA membership. Therefore, any deals made would have to be favourable to that 75%. If not then BALPA has a huge conflict of interest issue, will have a riot on its hands and probably end up losing most of its members in the smaller carriers and have a major problem for its future.
Let's see what happens.
On the other matter - Seniority is never seniority, their is always (rightly so) an element of merit.
Seniority is like democracy - it has its problems but it is the proven syytem that is the best of of a bad bunch of systems specifically for what we do. It has its faults but it works better than any other system.
Pure merit is fraught with safety and personnel problems. Pure seniority is likewise.
However, never say never - it could happen. However, one huge difference over the GSS situation is that BMed have over 75% BALPA membership. Therefore, any deals made would have to be favourable to that 75%. If not then BALPA has a huge conflict of interest issue, will have a riot on its hands and probably end up losing most of its members in the smaller carriers and have a major problem for its future.
Let's see what happens.
On the other matter - Seniority is never seniority, their is always (rightly so) an element of merit.
Seniority is like democracy - it has its problems but it is the proven syytem that is the best of of a bad bunch of systems specifically for what we do. It has its faults but it works better than any other system.
Pure merit is fraught with safety and personnel problems. Pure seniority is likewise.
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Max Flex and others,
Thanks for the explanation but further clarification please: is SCOPE driven by BALPA or by the companies? From the companies perspective I can't see any advantage in merging seniority lists and T&Cs - certainly not for GB and BMed as, I assume, costs would rise and flexibility reduce (I may be wrong of course) and for BA - who needs the hassle. However, if it is being driven by BA (for reasons I don't understand), is this something to be held over the franchisee's heads when franchise renewal comes up - i.e. sign up or lose the franchise? On the other hand, if it's being driven by BALPA then it would seem to me that they are interfering in internal company affairs that don't concern them provided, of course, that flight crews in the franchisees are generally happy with the status quo. Particularly when, judging by the BACX experience, merging of the companies and seniority lists etc seems to have generated so much ill will on all sides and turned a previously profitable franchisee into a (currently) loss-making subsidiary?
Thanks for the explanation but further clarification please: is SCOPE driven by BALPA or by the companies? From the companies perspective I can't see any advantage in merging seniority lists and T&Cs - certainly not for GB and BMed as, I assume, costs would rise and flexibility reduce (I may be wrong of course) and for BA - who needs the hassle. However, if it is being driven by BA (for reasons I don't understand), is this something to be held over the franchisee's heads when franchise renewal comes up - i.e. sign up or lose the franchise? On the other hand, if it's being driven by BALPA then it would seem to me that they are interfering in internal company affairs that don't concern them provided, of course, that flight crews in the franchisees are generally happy with the status quo. Particularly when, judging by the BACX experience, merging of the companies and seniority lists etc seems to have generated so much ill will on all sides and turned a previously profitable franchisee into a (currently) loss-making subsidiary?
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Man Flex talks about GB flying on 'BA Licensed Routes'.
For those that don't know:
The international route licences are awarded by the respective governments to GB Airways - not to BA because they are not BA routes.
All routes are GB routes (although a few of these routes have been flown by BA in the past, sometimes by BA itself under contract to GB ).
The slots are, and have always been, GB slots.
The aircraft are owned (plus some leased) by GB.
The capital to support the operation is provided by the owners of GB.
The crews and ground support are GB.
The engineering is done by GB (with some aspects contracted out to BMI and BA).
Handling is done by GB (with some contracting out to Iberia, TAP, BA etc, BA contracted to handle at LGW and LHR).
GB has been flying since 1931, it is not some fly-by-night dodgy little outfit.
GB pays a large commercial fee to BA for the right operate on certain agreed routes as a BA flight number in BA livery providing a BA standard service. This is a fixed sum which GB has to pay whether making a profit or a loss. GB pays an additional fee for each ticket bought through BA.com etc. Clearly it is a huge advantage to GB to market a flight under a world famous name that is renowned for safety, reliability and excellence (BA carry out regular audits of GB performance including check rides in the cockpit). Most routes would be unprofitable without big name clout.
The franchise comes up for renewal in Oct 2008. If the BACC force Rod Eddington to make a future renewal unworkable for GB, I think GB would align with another major carrier - lufthansa, easyjet, there would be plenty to choose from. GB would not just disappear.
It would be disastrous for BA at LGW - loss of traffic flow, check in jobs, presence etc. And for BA pilots hoping for a slice of the action at GB? They will have blown it, especially for themselves and their company, big time.
For those that don't know:
The international route licences are awarded by the respective governments to GB Airways - not to BA because they are not BA routes.
All routes are GB routes (although a few of these routes have been flown by BA in the past, sometimes by BA itself under contract to GB ).
The slots are, and have always been, GB slots.
The aircraft are owned (plus some leased) by GB.
The capital to support the operation is provided by the owners of GB.
The crews and ground support are GB.
The engineering is done by GB (with some aspects contracted out to BMI and BA).
Handling is done by GB (with some contracting out to Iberia, TAP, BA etc, BA contracted to handle at LGW and LHR).
GB has been flying since 1931, it is not some fly-by-night dodgy little outfit.
GB pays a large commercial fee to BA for the right operate on certain agreed routes as a BA flight number in BA livery providing a BA standard service. This is a fixed sum which GB has to pay whether making a profit or a loss. GB pays an additional fee for each ticket bought through BA.com etc. Clearly it is a huge advantage to GB to market a flight under a world famous name that is renowned for safety, reliability and excellence (BA carry out regular audits of GB performance including check rides in the cockpit). Most routes would be unprofitable without big name clout.
The franchise comes up for renewal in Oct 2008. If the BACC force Rod Eddington to make a future renewal unworkable for GB, I think GB would align with another major carrier - lufthansa, easyjet, there would be plenty to choose from. GB would not just disappear.
It would be disastrous for BA at LGW - loss of traffic flow, check in jobs, presence etc. And for BA pilots hoping for a slice of the action at GB? They will have blown it, especially for themselves and their company, big time.
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