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nobull**** - it seems appropriate from your post to pass on a large 'well done' to the flight deck and c/crew on that flight. Very nice handling as described.
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In light of the latest Pec*i vs UP may we expect more fired while on duty moves? Alternatively, would the President join the President Fazio on the road to nowhere together with the whole country.
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Hi all , that is disgraceful to hear about crews being fired over what is in fact a safety issue . I have contracted for a number of years now and I have to say that I found operators in the southern part of Europe shameless . Iam now working for a well established UK operator , and it really is a breath of fresh air .
It looks like the french are going to go ahead with publishing a list of 'rogue carriers' , this will hopefully put manners on some of these little hitlers who continue to bully crews in taking aircraft which contradict the MEL/CDL . I have had no axe to grind , however , when I hear about this sort of thing , it makes me wonder , what is the real threat against security and safety--terrorism or individuals like this .
Any of these serious breaches against the safety of a public transport aircraft should be reported to the JAA in the Netherlands
and not the local authority , where there are widespread levels of nepitism .
Perhaps I am being a little unfair , the national carriers appeared to have been normal operators in southern Europe .
Furthermore , this is not a 'race gripe' , it is simply various governments selectively ignoring the regulations .
It looks like the french are going to go ahead with publishing a list of 'rogue carriers' , this will hopefully put manners on some of these little hitlers who continue to bully crews in taking aircraft which contradict the MEL/CDL . I have had no axe to grind , however , when I hear about this sort of thing , it makes me wonder , what is the real threat against security and safety--terrorism or individuals like this .
Any of these serious breaches against the safety of a public transport aircraft should be reported to the JAA in the Netherlands
and not the local authority , where there are widespread levels of nepitism .
Perhaps I am being a little unfair , the national carriers appeared to have been normal operators in southern Europe .
Furthermore , this is not a 'race gripe' , it is simply various governments selectively ignoring the regulations .
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Appauling. As an Engineer this sort of thing concerns me greatly. Very worrying when financial pressures/greed impact on safety.... when an accident happens and lives are lost you can watch all the CEO's, directors and managers plead ignorance... "safety? nothing to do with me!!".
Aircrew and Engineers need to stick together to prevent this. We've been divided for too long.
Aircrew and Engineers need to stick together to prevent this. We've been divided for too long.
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Hello,
I have been flying for BPA as Captain. I just wanted to say that as captain, and that, not only with Blue Panorama, if you think things are not right, don't do these. I always did that with Blue, disregarding the management pressure and never I had been fired. Of course, some people tried to convince me to go with some special interpretations of the manuals but I never did. Again, all depends of your attitude regarding the company. The captain who was fired in the Dominican republic was first of all already leaving the company and then, always complaining about it, resulting to an "organised suicide". Of course, Blue Panorama is not the best company to work with, but it is not because one or two persons are doing stupid things that all the people working for the company are the same. I met lots of very valuable people working there.
I have been flying for BPA as Captain. I just wanted to say that as captain, and that, not only with Blue Panorama, if you think things are not right, don't do these. I always did that with Blue, disregarding the management pressure and never I had been fired. Of course, some people tried to convince me to go with some special interpretations of the manuals but I never did. Again, all depends of your attitude regarding the company. The captain who was fired in the Dominican republic was first of all already leaving the company and then, always complaining about it, resulting to an "organised suicide". Of course, Blue Panorama is not the best company to work with, but it is not because one or two persons are doing stupid things that all the people working for the company are the same. I met lots of very valuable people working there.
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vds,
maybe, you would care to explain the involvement of the UP (unione piloti) in the case. You should also know that the great majority of pilots in BP are on short term contracts (6 to 12 mnths) which do not get renewed if one "rocks the boat". May even translate the following:
SICUREZZA DEI VOLI
UNIONE PILOTI VS BLUE PANORAMA
In relazione ai comunicati stampa della Blue Panorama Airlines e dell´
ENAC del 29 agosto 2005, significhiamo - in nome e per conto dell'
Unione Piloti, che ci ha conferito all´uopo regolare mandato - quanto
segue:
L' Unione Piloti ha tra i principi ispiratori della propria
azione la sicurezza del trasporto aereo a tutela dei diritti e degli
interessi dei Cittadini, in tal modo assicurando - in un´ottica di
lungo periodo - la prosperità del settore.
Nella propria azione di
tutti i giorni, l´Unione Piloti si ispira a tali principi, aliena da
iniziative che possano essere o sembrare "punitive" di persone o
Aziende o Istituzioni.
In ottemperanza a tali principi, ed a tutela
degli interessi e dei diritti del trasporto aereo nel senso sopra
indicato, l´Unione Piloti respinge al mittente il contenuto di quanto
evidenziato nei comunicati stampa di cui sopra, grata dell´avvio dell´
azione penale da parte di Blue Panorama Airlines al fine di poter
ottenere, in via giudiziaria, la conferma della legittimità delle
proprie segnalazioni e della verità dei fatti indicati.
In relazione al
contenuto del comunicato stampa di Blue Panorama del 29 agosto 2005, l´
Unione Piloti ci ha dato mandato di procedere in tutte le sedi per la
tutela della reputazione e dell´onorabilità dell´Associazione e dei
suoi Dirigenti, chiedendo anche il risarcimento di tutti i danni subiti
e subendi.
Quanto ai controlli effettuati dall´Enac, l´Unione Piloti ci
ha dato mandato per ottenere la pubblicazione delle ispezioni
effettuate nonché l´eventuale integrazione delle stesse secondo la
verità dei fatti avvenuti, con espressa riserva all´uopo di utilizzare
tutti gli strumenti tecnici possibili per ottenere la declaratoria, se
del caso anche in via giudiziaria, della legittimità dell´operato
finora svolto da Unione Piloti e dai suoi Dirigenti.
Con i migliori
saluti
STUDIO LEGALE GRAMMEGNA & TRAISCI
UNIONE PILOTI
Il Dipartimento
P.S. By italian labour law one should be employed on a permanent contract if one is needed after 12 months. In BP this is ignored and they offer another short term contrct. Now go and "rock the boat" if U dare...
maybe, you would care to explain the involvement of the UP (unione piloti) in the case. You should also know that the great majority of pilots in BP are on short term contracts (6 to 12 mnths) which do not get renewed if one "rocks the boat". May even translate the following:
SICUREZZA DEI VOLI
UNIONE PILOTI VS BLUE PANORAMA
In relazione ai comunicati stampa della Blue Panorama Airlines e dell´
ENAC del 29 agosto 2005, significhiamo - in nome e per conto dell'
Unione Piloti, che ci ha conferito all´uopo regolare mandato - quanto
segue:
L' Unione Piloti ha tra i principi ispiratori della propria
azione la sicurezza del trasporto aereo a tutela dei diritti e degli
interessi dei Cittadini, in tal modo assicurando - in un´ottica di
lungo periodo - la prosperità del settore.
Nella propria azione di
tutti i giorni, l´Unione Piloti si ispira a tali principi, aliena da
iniziative che possano essere o sembrare "punitive" di persone o
Aziende o Istituzioni.
In ottemperanza a tali principi, ed a tutela
degli interessi e dei diritti del trasporto aereo nel senso sopra
indicato, l´Unione Piloti respinge al mittente il contenuto di quanto
evidenziato nei comunicati stampa di cui sopra, grata dell´avvio dell´
azione penale da parte di Blue Panorama Airlines al fine di poter
ottenere, in via giudiziaria, la conferma della legittimità delle
proprie segnalazioni e della verità dei fatti indicati.
In relazione al
contenuto del comunicato stampa di Blue Panorama del 29 agosto 2005, l´
Unione Piloti ci ha dato mandato di procedere in tutte le sedi per la
tutela della reputazione e dell´onorabilità dell´Associazione e dei
suoi Dirigenti, chiedendo anche il risarcimento di tutti i danni subiti
e subendi.
Quanto ai controlli effettuati dall´Enac, l´Unione Piloti ci
ha dato mandato per ottenere la pubblicazione delle ispezioni
effettuate nonché l´eventuale integrazione delle stesse secondo la
verità dei fatti avvenuti, con espressa riserva all´uopo di utilizzare
tutti gli strumenti tecnici possibili per ottenere la declaratoria, se
del caso anche in via giudiziaria, della legittimità dell´operato
finora svolto da Unione Piloti e dai suoi Dirigenti.
Con i migliori
saluti
STUDIO LEGALE GRAMMEGNA & TRAISCI
UNIONE PILOTI
Il Dipartimento
P.S. By italian labour law one should be employed on a permanent contract if one is needed after 12 months. In BP this is ignored and they offer another short term contrct. Now go and "rock the boat" if U dare...
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maintenance at BPA
TOP QUALITY EVEN WHERE IT IS NOT EVIDENT
A team composed of 30 Italian technicians and 18 Italian engineers are at the bottom of the high reliability standards of each Blue Panorama Airlines flight.
The ground staff carries out routine aircraft maintenance operations behind the scenes with the sole aim of ensuring safety: after each flight detailed ordinary inspections are carried out to be sure that every Boeing system works properly. For extraordinary maintenance, instead, Blue Panorama Airlines resorts to one of the most important maintenance locations in Europe working with partners such as Lufthansa Technick, LTU and Atitech. All checks are carried out with the utmost care and efficiency, since the top quality of Blue Panorama Airlines services must be ensured even in the smallest details. Even where it is not evident to the passenger.
...that is taken from BPA's website....so now we know that their Italian technicians/engineers are AT THE BOTTOM of the high reliability standards of each flight....... Aaaah it seems a very honest company therefore!
TOP QUALITY EVEN WHERE IT IS NOT EVIDENT
A team composed of 30 Italian technicians and 18 Italian engineers are at the bottom of the high reliability standards of each Blue Panorama Airlines flight.
The ground staff carries out routine aircraft maintenance operations behind the scenes with the sole aim of ensuring safety: after each flight detailed ordinary inspections are carried out to be sure that every Boeing system works properly. For extraordinary maintenance, instead, Blue Panorama Airlines resorts to one of the most important maintenance locations in Europe working with partners such as Lufthansa Technick, LTU and Atitech. All checks are carried out with the utmost care and efficiency, since the top quality of Blue Panorama Airlines services must be ensured even in the smallest details. Even where it is not evident to the passenger.
...that is taken from BPA's website....so now we know that their Italian technicians/engineers are AT THE BOTTOM of the high reliability standards of each flight....... Aaaah it seems a very honest company therefore!
