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On today's italian newspapers:
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Blue Panorama will be Boeing 7E7 european launch customer.
500 millions USD, 4 aircrafts ....
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I hope Boeing does a thorough background check on BPA before allowing the two names to appear linked together.
Boeing, Wake up! this Forum is for You too.
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Blue Panorama will be Boeing 7E7 european launch customer.
500 millions USD, 4 aircrafts ....
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I hope Boeing does a thorough background check on BPA before allowing the two names to appear linked together.
Boeing, Wake up! this Forum is for You too.
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Pecci to sack the by Soddu already sacked Capt. in the latest Blue banana scare? How come this "ex-Frecce Tricolori" ace had to leave Volare group, be unemployed for months and then join BP? Maybe best he didn't make it to HAV, might have ended up like another BP flight to HAV not so long ago.....
Italian way of doing things at work again.
Italian way of doing things at work again.
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You bet? After the 767 emergency landing in FCO, some smart people should find interesting details concerning the maintenance records of the airplane. Blue Panorama "combinazione" as usual!!
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Geeny,
I hate Soddu. I would imagine every professional pilot in Italy feels the same.Just imagine, a man who is alleged to have delayed the arrival of emergency turn data for the A320 from Swissair until more than 6 months of operations have past just to save money!!! or some other worthless reason!!! And that is just one of many SERIOUS allegations!To be sacked by him almost certainly means this pilot has balls, which seem to be lacking amongst our fraternity. He did a fine job with an engine fire that could not be confirmed to have been extinguished, am sure he had the return runway in route 2 of FMC and will have briefed his co-pilot for just this kind of eventuality. Made more easy due good weather.
At max landing weight (145149)B767 is designed to take touchdown vertical velocity of 10 fps or 600'/min., at max structual(186880) 6 fps or 360'/min. No time to dump fuel if fire not out just get back to threshold, land and evacuate
He will be debriefed and in this case most certainly commended and the results of enquiry will be used for training purposes.
Mr. Pecci will not be sacking anyone, at least not today!!!!!!
Forget the seeds of doubt, at least over this issue please.
I hate Soddu. I would imagine every professional pilot in Italy feels the same.Just imagine, a man who is alleged to have delayed the arrival of emergency turn data for the A320 from Swissair until more than 6 months of operations have past just to save money!!! or some other worthless reason!!! And that is just one of many SERIOUS allegations!To be sacked by him almost certainly means this pilot has balls, which seem to be lacking amongst our fraternity. He did a fine job with an engine fire that could not be confirmed to have been extinguished, am sure he had the return runway in route 2 of FMC and will have briefed his co-pilot for just this kind of eventuality. Made more easy due good weather.
At max landing weight (145149)B767 is designed to take touchdown vertical velocity of 10 fps or 600'/min., at max structual(186880) 6 fps or 360'/min. No time to dump fuel if fire not out just get back to threshold, land and evacuate
He will be debriefed and in this case most certainly commended and the results of enquiry will be used for training purposes.
Mr. Pecci will not be sacking anyone, at least not today!!!!!!
Forget the seeds of doubt, at least over this issue please.
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So, what was/is ENAC doing when Soddus, Peccis and alike were/are "managing" italian airlines?
Soddu was the "Amministratore Delegato" (GM) of the first airline to have been grounded for safety concerns in Italy (Alpy Eagles), so some years down the line he is "running" Volare group in his old fashion. Nice, I guess he'll run Alitalia tomorrow.
The strongest stink comes from Rome but this is no news.
Long live european unity and the rest.....
Soddu was the "Amministratore Delegato" (GM) of the first airline to have been grounded for safety concerns in Italy (Alpy Eagles), so some years down the line he is "running" Volare group in his old fashion. Nice, I guess he'll run Alitalia tomorrow.
The strongest stink comes from Rome but this is no news.
Long live european unity and the rest.....
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Dear Geeny
looks to me like you have a bug up your ass and probably are not aware of it.
Let's start from the beginning: I know personally this guy and believe me, you should wash your mouth before you ever talk about him again. He was the union representative in Air Europe, and stood up for his colleagues until he was fired by Soddu. He then spent 6 months unemployed because the abovementioned individual badmouthed him around. Finally he was employed by Mr. Pecci on 767s. He had the mother of all emergencies on a max t/o weight aircraft, handled it by the book and saved the day (and the passengers). I honestly think he will be commended on his performance, but I'm sure he doesn't care. Trouble is, pilots only ever get one chance in life to prove how good they are... I hope yours never comes, because by reading your posts I seriously doubt you will be up to it.
Ah, by the way, he really was an ace in the Frecce Tricolori... does that make you envious?!?
looks to me like you have a bug up your ass and probably are not aware of it.
Let's start from the beginning: I know personally this guy and believe me, you should wash your mouth before you ever talk about him again. He was the union representative in Air Europe, and stood up for his colleagues until he was fired by Soddu. He then spent 6 months unemployed because the abovementioned individual badmouthed him around. Finally he was employed by Mr. Pecci on 767s. He had the mother of all emergencies on a max t/o weight aircraft, handled it by the book and saved the day (and the passengers). I honestly think he will be commended on his performance, but I'm sure he doesn't care. Trouble is, pilots only ever get one chance in life to prove how good they are... I hope yours never comes, because by reading your posts I seriously doubt you will be up to it.
Ah, by the way, he really was an ace in the Frecce Tricolori... does that make you envious?!?
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Being a former "frecce tricolori" could mean anything. Many in the now "former" management of Volare and others have been great acrobatic pilots but, unfortunately, have kept a single pilot attitude and in all their actions have to stand taller than the "standard" pilot community ...... very very dangerous
Others have realized that "standard" has a safety meaning in commercial aviation and have changed their attitude to become nice guys to fly with and learn from.
The emergency in FCO was very well handled and thanks God THAT Captain was in charge. Not many other in BPA would have done as well.
On the other side that engine has been troubled for a while gulping up to 5 qtsof oil, but ... who cares the 7E7 is on its way
Others have realized that "standard" has a safety meaning in commercial aviation and have changed their attitude to become nice guys to fly with and learn from.
The emergency in FCO was very well handled and thanks God THAT Captain was in charge. Not many other in BPA would have done as well.
On the other side that engine has been troubled for a while gulping up to 5 qtsof oil, but ... who cares the 7E7 is on its way
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Define "quite a while"! The engine that burst into flames was the new one, fitted by Delta just a short time ago. They also replaced the fuel manifold system at the same time.
Whoever is found to have been at fault will pay heavily I fear!!!
Whoever is found to have been at fault will pay heavily I fear!!!
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There's maybe a link with the fact that 4 out of 8 engineers (the senior ones...) had resigned some time before the accident? The resignation rate seems quite high in Blue Panorama.
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The engine that blew up was indeed the new one, had never given any trouble and it looks like it was indeed the high pressure fuel manifold that sprayed lots of fuel inside the cowling. I have never believed in coincidences, and I smell a rat when two 767 engines blow up in an absolutely similar way less tan two weeks apart, in the same airport. High pressure fuel lines don't just rupture like that!
For Planoramix: te guy is far from being a "primadonna" like many of his former colleagues. Friendly and helpful in te cockpit, never been a hotshot the "Molinaro" style!!!
For Planoramix: te guy is far from being a "primadonna" like many of his former colleagues. Friendly and helpful in te cockpit, never been a hotshot the "Molinaro" style!!!
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seems that many " ACE " of Trecce Fricolori ( OO sorry frecce tricolori ) Volare start to leave the company for a new one !!!
a part of that .... what is exactly ACE ???? is a drink ????
a part of that .... what is exactly ACE ???? is a drink ????
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They have not "started to leave the company" !!!
They have been kicked out of the company, as should have happened a long time ago!!!
Bunch of losers and dishonests, destroyed a perfectly good airline (Air Europe).
But here we are again: Italian authorities will let them open-up another airline, populated with the same ridiculous characters that were in Volare.....
A useless Manager, a bunch of brown nosers following him, all believing to be hotshots and God's gift to the aviation community.
Want to bet it will be yet another scam?
Time will tell (hopefully not too long)
They have been kicked out of the company, as should have happened a long time ago!!!
Bunch of losers and dishonests, destroyed a perfectly good airline (Air Europe).
But here we are again: Italian authorities will let them open-up another airline, populated with the same ridiculous characters that were in Volare.....
A useless Manager, a bunch of brown nosers following him, all believing to be hotshots and God's gift to the aviation community.
Want to bet it will be yet another scam?
Time will tell (hopefully not too long)
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Could not agree more.
What about all the pending allegations against Soddu. Is he still managing to stay above and beyond the Italian legal system.
All other Italian company directors should take note- oops, I was forgetting Parmalat!
What about all the pending allegations against Soddu. Is he still managing to stay above and beyond the Italian legal system.
All other Italian company directors should take note- oops, I was forgetting Parmalat!
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nobull**** and others,
I think highly of the pilot's abilities of the captain involved (we have spent a great number of hours together in the cockpit), him being my F/O. If you did your homework properly you might have learnt what would be the bug you refer to, before attacking me. I am not envious of not making it to the Frecce: might have met Soddu and alike there, might have been killed at some airshow, might have been treated like the captain in question. I am not Italian but I have had my share of flying inverted and I think this doesn't qualify me as a good captain. Maybe being a TRE qualifies me to comment on the sorry state of the affairs in the italian commercial aviation. Would you care to comment, nobull**** (after having washed your mouth)? Don't forget to mention Pecci, Soddu, FTL, Ustica, Linate etc (the list is long..)
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I think highly of the pilot's abilities of the captain involved (we have spent a great number of hours together in the cockpit), him being my F/O. If you did your homework properly you might have learnt what would be the bug you refer to, before attacking me. I am not envious of not making it to the Frecce: might have met Soddu and alike there, might have been killed at some airshow, might have been treated like the captain in question. I am not Italian but I have had my share of flying inverted and I think this doesn't qualify me as a good captain. Maybe being a TRE qualifies me to comment on the sorry state of the affairs in the italian commercial aviation. Would you care to comment, nobull**** (after having washed your mouth)? Don't forget to mention Pecci, Soddu, FTL, Ustica, Linate etc (the list is long..)
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Erm.... I've just skimmed through this topic while having lunch at work and this sounds pretty alarming to me. Drivers that are forced to fly birds that had 'illegal' reparis? And pprune members that predict an accident is due?
I mean, shouldn't the authorities take action before we have another big headline in the news?
Just thinking...
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I mean, shouldn't the authorities take action before we have another big headline in the news?
Just thinking...
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Latest news:
Looks like the fire originated from a return high pressure flexible pipe. Apparently it was installed by Delta (they overhauled the engine) in the wrong way, allowing it to torque. The problem was not visible, as there was a plastic sleeve covering the pipe.
It started leaking during taxi, and lots of fuel collected in the lower part of the cowling. At T/O power, and the extremely high pressure associated, the pipe sprayed serious quantities of fuel around te cowling. Te fuel, now nebulized, ignited and exploded. This happened, like in everybody's worst nightmare, at V1. Handling pilot was the F/O, with very few hours on his back. Capt. decided to continue, aware of the 186800 kgs following him. Engine still gave thrust, gear was raised immediately, ENG FIRE recall items at 400' but fire still there. After both bottles emptied fire would not go out. Capt took control, decided to do a 90/270 to get back to Rwy 34L, so the fire would be downwind from the plane. Kept flaps 5, finished QRH, talked to passengers, advised crew of likely evacuation when on ground because of a right engine fire and possible gear fire. Landed from a visual, flaps 20, single engine, Vref 179 Kts, 186 tons, pax screaming their heads off. Smooth touch down, max braking, one reverser actuated, stopped just after the intersection with 07/25.
When stopped, fire indication still on. Evacuated the 273 pax in 80 seconds, not a single broken leg. Capt. left the plane via the rear left door as advertised. Firefighters put out the fire, still working its way thru hydraulics, electrics and oil. Total time in the air just over 4 mins, max altitude reached 1400'.
Looks like the fire originated from a return high pressure flexible pipe. Apparently it was installed by Delta (they overhauled the engine) in the wrong way, allowing it to torque. The problem was not visible, as there was a plastic sleeve covering the pipe.
It started leaking during taxi, and lots of fuel collected in the lower part of the cowling. At T/O power, and the extremely high pressure associated, the pipe sprayed serious quantities of fuel around te cowling. Te fuel, now nebulized, ignited and exploded. This happened, like in everybody's worst nightmare, at V1. Handling pilot was the F/O, with very few hours on his back. Capt. decided to continue, aware of the 186800 kgs following him. Engine still gave thrust, gear was raised immediately, ENG FIRE recall items at 400' but fire still there. After both bottles emptied fire would not go out. Capt took control, decided to do a 90/270 to get back to Rwy 34L, so the fire would be downwind from the plane. Kept flaps 5, finished QRH, talked to passengers, advised crew of likely evacuation when on ground because of a right engine fire and possible gear fire. Landed from a visual, flaps 20, single engine, Vref 179 Kts, 186 tons, pax screaming their heads off. Smooth touch down, max braking, one reverser actuated, stopped just after the intersection with 07/25.
When stopped, fire indication still on. Evacuated the 273 pax in 80 seconds, not a single broken leg. Capt. left the plane via the rear left door as advertised. Firefighters put out the fire, still working its way thru hydraulics, electrics and oil. Total time in the air just over 4 mins, max altitude reached 1400'.
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I'm not a pilot, nor an expert, but following some bad news in some forum I wanted to check out and I finally came to read the thread "fired while on duty" (2004). I have to admit this kind of scares me, because I had planned to fly with Blue Panorama in a couple of weeks...does anybody have any news on BPA? Has the safety related situation changed someway?
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I'm not a pilot, nor an expert, but following some bad news in some forum I wanted to check out and I finally came to read the thread "fired while on duty" (2004). I have to admit this kind of scares me, because I had planned to fly with Blue Panorama in a couple of weeks...does anybody have any news on BPA? Has the safety related situation changed someway?
Waiting for some comments...
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The Italians should not be taken seriously when it comes to prfessional practise the place is rampent with corruption and sleeze.Its a commaon find amongst Med.countries.At least the crew walked away to fly another day.