Chinese Airlines Halt Ticket Sales to Pax from Middle East
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Peace and Love Capt.Chaos? I don't think so.
But then the bible purports to advocate Peace and Love also...doesn't stop us 'Christians' murdering each other, does it.
The Koran is a lot more like the Old Testament...plenty of fire and brimstone and gods retribution etc. It also has some nice bits about Peace and Love. Bonking even!
But then the bible purports to advocate Peace and Love also...doesn't stop us 'Christians' murdering each other, does it.
The Koran is a lot more like the Old Testament...plenty of fire and brimstone and gods retribution etc. It also has some nice bits about Peace and Love. Bonking even!
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Yes am Flying a Seneca, (not a Senaca BTW)
So What ? Do I have to wait for an EMB120 or 737 Type rating to give my opinion ? I don't think so.
Probalby you were clever enough to jump from the 152, straight to the Boeing left or right seat , or maybe you simply forgot the time you were building your experience on light twins like Seneca (did you cross the atlantic with one ? )
As some people mentionned earlier on this thread, the Chinese's Idea will achieve Oussama Bin Laden's goal : dividing the muslims from the others... We can also go a step further, by grounding all A/C movements...
What is not mentionned in my profile, is that my girlfriend is an Air Hostess in a European airline, also having operations in Muslims countries. Another fact about her, is her colour, not the same as "standard" Europeans. This make us especially concerned by terrorism but also by racist attitudes or pure segregation.
I guess from your Type ratings that you are mainly flying domestic, and not international. Do you think your solution will work in other places like Europe or Africa?
Keep in mind that non-muslim or white people are a minority on this planet.
And please, don't tell me I am anti-american .....
Yes am Flying a Seneca, (not a Senaca BTW)
So What ? Do I have to wait for an EMB120 or 737 Type rating to give my opinion ? I don't think so.
Probalby you were clever enough to jump from the 152, straight to the Boeing left or right seat , or maybe you simply forgot the time you were building your experience on light twins like Seneca (did you cross the atlantic with one ? )
As some people mentionned earlier on this thread, the Chinese's Idea will achieve Oussama Bin Laden's goal : dividing the muslims from the others... We can also go a step further, by grounding all A/C movements...
What is not mentionned in my profile, is that my girlfriend is an Air Hostess in a European airline, also having operations in Muslims countries. Another fact about her, is her colour, not the same as "standard" Europeans. This make us especially concerned by terrorism but also by racist attitudes or pure segregation.
I guess from your Type ratings that you are mainly flying domestic, and not international. Do you think your solution will work in other places like Europe or Africa?
Keep in mind that non-muslim or white people are a minority on this planet.
And please, don't tell me I am anti-american .....
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I can't imagine this practice becoming widespread - it's just a knee-jerk reaction. After all, where do you start? Anyone with Mohammed in their name? Anyone with a dark complexion? It just wouldn't work on a practical scale.
However, the airlines will try to reduce risk, and El Al already single out certain groups for extra attention; the subject needs to be seen in context, it's not a racist action, just an acknowledgment that we must be aware from where in the world the threat is coming, and be especially vigilant.
Banning certain nationals won't work, and hopefully everyone left in the free world can see, and accept, that maybe a few extra questions by the airlines' security staff will do no harm, it's there for everyone's benefit.
However, the airlines will try to reduce risk, and El Al already single out certain groups for extra attention; the subject needs to be seen in context, it's not a racist action, just an acknowledgment that we must be aware from where in the world the threat is coming, and be especially vigilant.
Banning certain nationals won't work, and hopefully everyone left in the free world can see, and accept, that maybe a few extra questions by the airlines' security staff will do no harm, it's there for everyone's benefit.
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Cesar, Hi,
According to your list, old Dubya has a lot of ground to cover! and forever incorrect, good on the Chink's, if you not hold the tail, the Tiger can't bite !!
Not only wil the question be, Will the Chinese stop selling arms, but will Dubya stop Noraid sending guns, bullets and cash to the IRA terror groups!!
According to your list, old Dubya has a lot of ground to cover! and forever incorrect, good on the Chink's, if you not hold the tail, the Tiger can't bite !!
Not only wil the question be, Will the Chinese stop selling arms, but will Dubya stop Noraid sending guns, bullets and cash to the IRA terror groups!!
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From South China Morning Post(scmp.com) 15/10/01
Beijing blames airlines over Mideast travel ban -CHEUNG CHI-FAI
The Foreign Ministry has blamed mainland airlines for misunderstanding a directive about barring travellers from Middle East countries issued after the terrorist attacks in the United States.
Neither the Foreign Ministry nor the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) had asked the airlines to ban passengers from 19 Middle East countries, it said.
"A few airlines misunderstood the concerned policy, and have acted inappropriately in some individual cases," the statement from the Office of the Commissioner of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the SAR said. "Once uncovered, they have been rectified immediately."
The statement said China welcomed all travellers with valid visas.
The South China Morning Post reported on Saturday that mainland airlines, such as China Southern, China Eastern and Air China, had been instructed not to sell tickets to travellers from 19 Middle East countries and Palestine.
In a circular dated October 3, the China National Aviation Corp, sole agent of Chinese airlines in Hong Kong, urged travel agents to comply with rules issued by the Foreign Ministry and the CAAC about imposing "strict controls" on the travellers.
The circular said it was issued in accordance with the "spirit" of a notice by the Foreign Ministry and the CAAC.
Countries named were Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Sudan, Libya and Algeria. Palestine was also listed.
The tightened security was imposed ahead of the Apec conference in Shanghai this weekend when US President George W. Bush will be among heads of state attending.
Beijing blames airlines over Mideast travel ban -CHEUNG CHI-FAI
The Foreign Ministry has blamed mainland airlines for misunderstanding a directive about barring travellers from Middle East countries issued after the terrorist attacks in the United States.
Neither the Foreign Ministry nor the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) had asked the airlines to ban passengers from 19 Middle East countries, it said.
"A few airlines misunderstood the concerned policy, and have acted inappropriately in some individual cases," the statement from the Office of the Commissioner of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the SAR said. "Once uncovered, they have been rectified immediately."
The statement said China welcomed all travellers with valid visas.
The South China Morning Post reported on Saturday that mainland airlines, such as China Southern, China Eastern and Air China, had been instructed not to sell tickets to travellers from 19 Middle East countries and Palestine.
In a circular dated October 3, the China National Aviation Corp, sole agent of Chinese airlines in Hong Kong, urged travel agents to comply with rules issued by the Foreign Ministry and the CAAC about imposing "strict controls" on the travellers.
The circular said it was issued in accordance with the "spirit" of a notice by the Foreign Ministry and the CAAC.
Countries named were Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait, Sudan, Libya and Algeria. Palestine was also listed.
The tightened security was imposed ahead of the Apec conference in Shanghai this weekend when US President George W. Bush will be among heads of state attending.
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Probably not that easy to set up, but I am definitely in favor of a passenger Blacklist.
Intelligence agencies should provides airlines with a list of potentially dangerous individuals. Either on the terrorist point of view or the air rage aspect.
Maybe am wrong, but I am pretty sure that passengers won't let this happening again.
I can't believe we have reach that level of violence and sauvagerie, as we say in France.
Intelligence agencies should provides airlines with a list of potentially dangerous individuals. Either on the terrorist point of view or the air rage aspect.
Maybe am wrong, but I am pretty sure that passengers won't let this happening again.
I can't believe we have reach that level of violence and sauvagerie, as we say in France.
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Of course not all Muslims are terrorists, one has to be an idiot to think that way.
But can we tell who is and who isn't?? probably not.
This is not the time to be politically correct, look what that did to the world and the airline industry in particular.
One more thing....what's with these Muslim protesters we've been seeing on CNN?? Don't they have any clue what THEIR people did to not only Americans, but citizens from over 60 countries that had offices at the World Trade Center?
If anything, they should protest to get these knuckleheads out of their country, not in support of them.
PorsoRosso,
sorry I mispelled SenEca, as I do not fly one.
But can we tell who is and who isn't?? probably not.
This is not the time to be politically correct, look what that did to the world and the airline industry in particular.
One more thing....what's with these Muslim protesters we've been seeing on CNN?? Don't they have any clue what THEIR people did to not only Americans, but citizens from over 60 countries that had offices at the World Trade Center?
If anything, they should protest to get these knuckleheads out of their country, not in support of them.
PorsoRosso,
sorry I mispelled SenEca, as I do not fly one.
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Just one thing I noticed
Two months ago I was involved in an hot debate about this US NAVY Orion which had to make an emergency landing in China.
Because KIFIS and myself were not sharing US posters point of view, we were blamed to be communists, anti-democrats and so on and so on.
Quite a long list of points was made by US Ppruners about how bad China and Chinese were.
Therefore, I am a bit surprised to see how quickly some US pilots agree, today, with the chinese government's bright idea.
I am not trying to destroy your resoning about terrorist, but if i follow your idea to ban muslims pax from airline flights, you may also want to forbid access to Irsih, Spanish, French, Italian ...etc...etc..;on the simple basis, you can't tell if they are terrorist or not.
BTW, if I remember the FedEx incident (1994 ?) The Hijacker involved was a US citizen, former military pilot ...and decided to crash the DC10 on the FedEx buildings.
Do we have to ban all former FedEx employees ?
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Sorry for the "disgusting" I don't mean you are an idiot of some sort, I am just surprised that some pilots can stick with segregation measures ...
Just one thing I noticed
Two months ago I was involved in an hot debate about this US NAVY Orion which had to make an emergency landing in China.
Because KIFIS and myself were not sharing US posters point of view, we were blamed to be communists, anti-democrats and so on and so on.
Quite a long list of points was made by US Ppruners about how bad China and Chinese were.
Therefore, I am a bit surprised to see how quickly some US pilots agree, today, with the chinese government's bright idea.
I am not trying to destroy your resoning about terrorist, but if i follow your idea to ban muslims pax from airline flights, you may also want to forbid access to Irsih, Spanish, French, Italian ...etc...etc..;on the simple basis, you can't tell if they are terrorist or not.
BTW, if I remember the FedEx incident (1994 ?) The Hijacker involved was a US citizen, former military pilot ...and decided to crash the DC10 on the FedEx buildings.
Do we have to ban all former FedEx employees ?
PS
Sorry for the "disgusting" I don't mean you are an idiot of some sort, I am just surprised that some pilots can stick with segregation measures ...
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Hmmm
Last night I flew out of DXB with Mrats and the flight was full of Arabs.
Not only did they not object to the few Westerner's on board they even gave us metal knives
Funny thing was we only had finger food
Last night I flew out of DXB with Mrats and the flight was full of Arabs.
Not only did they not object to the few Westerner's on board they even gave us metal knives
Funny thing was we only had finger food
