Swissair Pilots cheated exams for years
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My explanations to you in our telephone call yesterday were meant to explain that it is for obvious reasons common to all schools that their students ask predecessors, which already completed the respective tests about possible questions in order to enhance their preparation. It is also self-explaining that students talk amongst each other about the tests they are facing, the amount of difficult questions and their best answers.
I would say that I had probably already seen about 80% of all the JAR ATPL exam questions I faced on Oxford home-produced "past papers" (complete with answers) when I sat the exams.
That isn't cheating. That is positively utilising resources to their best effect. Which is what I presume Swissair did - the 10% increase in fail rates after the introduction of JAR probably reflected the inclusion of more questions from the central question bank. Nothing new there.......
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Things did not work that way. Candidates were given copies of the questions together with the answers and took them with them during the examination, with the full knowledge of the examinators, who just did as if they had seen nothing...
Some of the candidates used them, some didn't had to, others used the copy to cross-check the answers they had given. This practice went on for more than ten years and stopped in 2000.
Call it the way you like. To me, it's cheating, nothing else.
Some of the candidates used them, some didn't had to, others used the copy to cross-check the answers they had given. This practice went on for more than ten years and stopped in 2000.
Call it the way you like. To me, it's cheating, nothing else.
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Are you an SLS graduate? I don't think so. Cause if you were you would know what bull you are writing.
I attended SLS and I can assure to everybody that exactly what slim20 explained happend. I NEVER had Q&A's before a test.
On the other hand if you were at SLS and cheated your licence that way, it's up to you to return your licence to the authority. But then you would know better.
So please do not state your not very educated guesses as facts. Just because we are ex SWR does not mean we are all bad guys. Skip your frustration and save your energy for doing a good job yourself!
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Are you an SLS graduate? I don't think so. Cause if you were you would know what bull you are writing.
I attended SLS and I can assure to everybody that exactly what slim20 explained happend. I NEVER had Q&A's before a test.
On the other hand if you were at SLS and cheated your licence that way, it's up to you to return your licence to the authority. But then you would know better.
So please do not state your not very educated guesses as facts. Just because we are ex SWR does not mean we are all bad guys. Skip your frustration and save your energy for doing a good job yourself!
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Hello ettore
...might it be possible that you belong to the 50% of the pilots of the transition course of the ex-crossair pilots that failed the transition to the A-320...?
Do you have any problems with the standard of Swiss that is set to a higher level than that of the former Crossair...?
Keep on flying instead of talking bulls..t
cu
...might it be possible that you belong to the 50% of the pilots of the transition course of the ex-crossair pilots that failed the transition to the A-320...?
Do you have any problems with the standard of Swiss that is set to a higher level than that of the former Crossair...?
Keep on flying instead of talking bulls..t
cu
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DouglasFlyer wrote:
I'm not and I'm feeling very confortable with relying upon testimonies of Swissair pilots who aknowledge that, yes, indeed, they received both the questions and the answers and could use them during their ATPL examination and that it has been a widespread and for more than 10 years ongoing pratice.
By the way: I never worked for Crossair, nor for Swissair, and I'm certainly not willing to work for Swiss. It just happens that I know quite a bunch of people there
...might it be possible that you belong to the 50% of the pilots of the transition course of the ex-crossair pilots that failed the transition to the A-320...?
By the way: I never worked for Crossair, nor for Swissair, and I'm certainly not willing to work for Swiss. It just happens that I know quite a bunch of people there
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what goes up wrote:
Why are you so eager to deny reports made and confirmed by three Swissair pilots and one Swissair instructor who were themselves involved in the sheme ? Did you cheat yourself ? 
ettore
So you don't know first hand. So please state that and do not sell so called facts you can't proof.
I tell you first hand that this is bull what you wrote.
So you don't know first hand. So please state that and do not sell so called facts you can't proof.
I tell you first hand that this is bull what you wrote.
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Well if it helps to put some fuel into this:
I did research that point already back in 2000 and due to the usual Swiss media self imposed censorship the story was never published. Former Swissair did everything to avoid this question to be discussed during court proceedings with one of their former captains, who got fired.
The real delicate point is that it has been common practize within their (SR's) training academy to cheat on these tests.
And is this the same Cpt Manfred Brennwald who once took off out from KMIA when the cabin was not secure and was never challengend for this despite several reports?
Nevertheless it is important that someone, if it ends up to be the more respected media, so let it be, bring such things to light.
Swiss FOCA has dreamed its beautysleep for more than a decade and by simply shifting all responsibility to the Swiss carriers without any level of control things have gone down the drain in Heidiland. First wake up call for FOCA was SR 111 and subsequently other mishaps followed. Unfortunately the Swiss mentalty can not handle critism pretty well (maybe because of that a major operator asked a few years back upon first implemantation of new JAR-Ops to be released from providing required CRM training for its crews?!!) and as the country is so small, things tend to get resolved internally, without any big publicity. A good example is the firing of a high FOCA representative, who publicly declared he felt "pressured" by Swissair to acknowledge the certification and installation of their later becoming infamous IFEN (Inflight Entertainment System) back in 1998.
Switzerland has become a very strange country, when it comes to aviation. It is to my knowledge the only country were people who already have been found responsible for causing serious and fatal accidents may continue to run THE major airline with the help of govenment support and (tax-payers) money - . Because on the other hand these individuals have proven to be unable to amicably resolve problems within their "merged" pilot community, such "dirty laundry" will continue to surface, and unfortunately there is even more...
I did research that point already back in 2000 and due to the usual Swiss media self imposed censorship the story was never published. Former Swissair did everything to avoid this question to be discussed during court proceedings with one of their former captains, who got fired.
The real delicate point is that it has been common practize within their (SR's) training academy to cheat on these tests.
And is this the same Cpt Manfred Brennwald who once took off out from KMIA when the cabin was not secure and was never challengend for this despite several reports?
Nevertheless it is important that someone, if it ends up to be the more respected media, so let it be, bring such things to light.
Swiss FOCA has dreamed its beautysleep for more than a decade and by simply shifting all responsibility to the Swiss carriers without any level of control things have gone down the drain in Heidiland. First wake up call for FOCA was SR 111 and subsequently other mishaps followed. Unfortunately the Swiss mentalty can not handle critism pretty well (maybe because of that a major operator asked a few years back upon first implemantation of new JAR-Ops to be released from providing required CRM training for its crews?!!) and as the country is so small, things tend to get resolved internally, without any big publicity. A good example is the firing of a high FOCA representative, who publicly declared he felt "pressured" by Swissair to acknowledge the certification and installation of their later becoming infamous IFEN (Inflight Entertainment System) back in 1998.
Switzerland has become a very strange country, when it comes to aviation. It is to my knowledge the only country were people who already have been found responsible for causing serious and fatal accidents may continue to run THE major airline with the help of govenment support and (tax-payers) money - . Because on the other hand these individuals have proven to be unable to amicably resolve problems within their "merged" pilot community, such "dirty laundry" will continue to surface, and unfortunately there is even more...
