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For some ( hopefully useful ) background & advice about JAC Academy see below some previous contributions:
There's not a lot more I can add to the above, other than ones hope that these ******s don't manage to winkle out of the clutches of the law.
For those people thinking of doing self-sponsored type-ratings - as you can see from the above - it can't be emphasised enough that you should properly research your training provider, and most certainly in advance of parting with any money !
CrashDive posted 3rd June 2003 20:47 in the thread who does self sponsored type ratings
I'd like to clarify a certain point, in as much that I think you'll find that the JAC Academy are completely discredited, having not paid their ( substantial ) bills to a number of the leading training providers !
I.e. JAC acted as agents / brokers, wherein they pocketed the trainees money, but did not then subsequently pass it on as payment to the companies that provided the actual hands-on training - and by all accounts it was nice little earner, e.g. their last know address was in Monaco !
Indeed if anybody knows the actual whereabouts of the brothers Auclerc ( i.e. Olivier and / or Nicholas ? ) who head-up JAC, could you please post it here ( or contact me privately ) so that the information can be passed on to the relevant legal authorities.
Nb. This action is being taken in conjunction w.r.t. the thousands of €/$/£'s that they ( JAC Academy / the Auclerc’s ) have extracted from a great many honest & hard working people.
I'd like to clarify a certain point, in as much that I think you'll find that the JAC Academy are completely discredited, having not paid their ( substantial ) bills to a number of the leading training providers !
I.e. JAC acted as agents / brokers, wherein they pocketed the trainees money, but did not then subsequently pass it on as payment to the companies that provided the actual hands-on training - and by all accounts it was nice little earner, e.g. their last know address was in Monaco !
Indeed if anybody knows the actual whereabouts of the brothers Auclerc ( i.e. Olivier and / or Nicholas ? ) who head-up JAC, could you please post it here ( or contact me privately ) so that the information can be passed on to the relevant legal authorities.
Nb. This action is being taken in conjunction w.r.t. the thousands of €/$/£'s that they ( JAC Academy / the Auclerc’s ) have extracted from a great many honest & hard working people.
CrashDive posted 3rd June 2003 21:31 in the thread who does self sponsored type ratings
If you pay JAC any money then you stand to risk not getting issued with your Type Ratings ‘Course Completion Certificate’ – and this is something which you must have in order to get the CAA/JAA to issue the rating – and without which you are stuffed !
You see the way it works is that if you form a contract with JAC for Type-Rating training, and they ( JAC ) then form a contract with a (reputable) TRTO / training provider....... but that the TRTO does not subsequently get paid by JAC for provision of your training – something which was conducted on your behalf at JAC’s behest and to whom ( JAC ) you have paid your money - it is you who must chase JAC to ensure that they pay the TRTO for the training that you have had – such that the TRTO will issue the certificate to you.
Basically your contract is with JAC – and not with the 3rd party TRTO, to whom JAC ‘sub-contracted / brokered’ your training.
Nb. TRTO = Type Rating Training Organisation - which is a very difficult approval to get and to keep - and JAC have not been issued with one, so they buy-in / contract TRTO's to provide the training; So if you do business with JAC ask to see their TRTO certification and also check it with the relevant issuing authority.
Given the amounts of money involved in aviation training - especially so when it comes to large jet aircraft - I cannot caution people enough to be very careful with whom they give it to ............ and please remember that many of us PPRuNe elder statesmen have also been there, done that, been ‘burnt’ – and resultant from which PPRuNe was born !
If you pay JAC any money then you stand to risk not getting issued with your Type Ratings ‘Course Completion Certificate’ – and this is something which you must have in order to get the CAA/JAA to issue the rating – and without which you are stuffed !
You see the way it works is that if you form a contract with JAC for Type-Rating training, and they ( JAC ) then form a contract with a (reputable) TRTO / training provider....... but that the TRTO does not subsequently get paid by JAC for provision of your training – something which was conducted on your behalf at JAC’s behest and to whom ( JAC ) you have paid your money - it is you who must chase JAC to ensure that they pay the TRTO for the training that you have had – such that the TRTO will issue the certificate to you.
Basically your contract is with JAC – and not with the 3rd party TRTO, to whom JAC ‘sub-contracted / brokered’ your training.
Nb. TRTO = Type Rating Training Organisation - which is a very difficult approval to get and to keep - and JAC have not been issued with one, so they buy-in / contract TRTO's to provide the training; So if you do business with JAC ask to see their TRTO certification and also check it with the relevant issuing authority.
Given the amounts of money involved in aviation training - especially so when it comes to large jet aircraft - I cannot caution people enough to be very careful with whom they give it to ............ and please remember that many of us PPRuNe elder statesmen have also been there, done that, been ‘burnt’ – and resultant from which PPRuNe was born !
CrashDive posted 29th August 2003 07:52 in the thread JAC-academy
It is true to say that we know several entirely successful type rating candidates who have nothing on paper within their license to prove that fact, despite having payed JAC up front for their course.
We are similarly able to confirm that it was the non payment of bills, by JAC, in respect of services provided by UK training establishments (note the plural) which led to this situation.
Would you please post any contact details (web links, email addresses, phone numbers, street address, etc ) which you have for JAC academy, as there are debt collection agencies, and others, who would like to get in touch with them.
It is true to say that we know several entirely successful type rating candidates who have nothing on paper within their license to prove that fact, despite having payed JAC up front for their course.
We are similarly able to confirm that it was the non payment of bills, by JAC, in respect of services provided by UK training establishments (note the plural) which led to this situation.
Would you please post any contact details (web links, email addresses, phone numbers, street address, etc ) which you have for JAC academy, as there are debt collection agencies, and others, who would like to get in touch with them.
For those people thinking of doing self-sponsored type-ratings - as you can see from the above - it can't be emphasised enough that you should properly research your training provider, and most certainly in advance of parting with any money !
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Urgent Information!!
Hallo again to all of you guys concerned regarding the JAC-Academy disease.
We have had alot of response the last 24 hours (thanks).
We have noticed that there are alot of Pilots being ripped off.
I am still very concerned to get more information/contacts of all those whom had anything with JAC-Academy, Andrew Alexander, Gonzag Alexander Gay, Oliver Roland and/or Auclerc Oliver to do. This is a request from the german police (Criminal departement).
Fact is, they are found guilty and it is time to sort out as much as possible of the crimes they are responsible for.
Please forward anything to following E-mail: [email protected]
Best regards for a safe future in all matters
-An expierienced Pilot
We have had alot of response the last 24 hours (thanks).
We have noticed that there are alot of Pilots being ripped off.
I am still very concerned to get more information/contacts of all those whom had anything with JAC-Academy, Andrew Alexander, Gonzag Alexander Gay, Oliver Roland and/or Auclerc Oliver to do. This is a request from the german police (Criminal departement).
Fact is, they are found guilty and it is time to sort out as much as possible of the crimes they are responsible for.
Please forward anything to following E-mail: [email protected]
Best regards for a safe future in all matters
-An expierienced Pilot
Just got this PM from MrPilot28:
For christ's sake. It was s a simple question from a curious bystander. There's another thread currently running about this dubious organisation claiming the principals have been arrested, while you seem to be claiming they've been convicted. .What's so bloody secret about my question?
JAC
We only give more detailed information regarding JAC when we have set up a communication with names.
If you have been affected, you can please send us your details.
Best regards
We only give more detailed information regarding JAC when we have set up a communication with names.
If you have been affected, you can please send us your details.
Best regards
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Tinstaafl:
I don´t know what those mails from you are all about?
Facts are, we and alot of others, are dealing with criminals and we are trying to sort out this situation and get in contact with those affected of JAC-Academy. If you cannot understand that we do not give all information in public, it is a petty for you. But rather keep your not helping mails for yourself.
Not to forget, it is a complex situation we are dealing with, and there might be more of "them" out there....!!!!!
I do not think that anyone with common sence, will loose their money to criminals, and that is what we are fighting for.
I don´t know what those mails from you are all about?
Facts are, we and alot of others, are dealing with criminals and we are trying to sort out this situation and get in contact with those affected of JAC-Academy. If you cannot understand that we do not give all information in public, it is a petty for you. But rather keep your not helping mails for yourself.
Not to forget, it is a complex situation we are dealing with, and there might be more of "them" out there....!!!!!
I do not think that anyone with common sence, will loose their money to criminals, and that is what we are fighting for.
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Simple suspicion!
As i was shopping around for a type rating i found JAC Academy and first love took place; at least an affordable type rating!
Then i compared note's and saw that it looked to good to be true. Alarm bell's traded places with the affection; If it looks too good to be true it frequently is!
So i set out to check their claims; they said they dealt with a certain TRTO, so i called those good souls. "never heard of them" was the first answer, but later i was called and given a telephone number of someone to call. It didn't look very promising.
So i thought.... lets confront JAC with the suspicion and see if they would play ball; i offered them to pay the "overhead" to them and the actual fee to the TRTO directly.
Never heard of them since! I will offer my limited info to the needy but if you stay sharp you won't end up on the short end of the stick!
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Then i compared note's and saw that it looked to good to be true. Alarm bell's traded places with the affection; If it looks too good to be true it frequently is!
So i set out to check their claims; they said they dealt with a certain TRTO, so i called those good souls. "never heard of them" was the first answer, but later i was called and given a telephone number of someone to call. It didn't look very promising.
So i thought.... lets confront JAC with the suspicion and see if they would play ball; i offered them to pay the "overhead" to them and the actual fee to the TRTO directly.
Never heard of them since! I will offer my limited info to the needy but if you stay sharp you won't end up on the short end of the stick!
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Well
Being a French Forum members, more or less, in the knowledge JAC was to be avoided at all cost, am a bit deceived to see no mention of those warnings by your french friends (I think we made it very clear many times on the FF )
Flyblue delivered our concerns to Danny, and she is to be thanked for that.
I hope those little crooks will have some time to think about it.
Being a French Forum members, more or less, in the knowledge JAC was to be avoided at all cost, am a bit deceived to see no mention of those warnings by your french friends (I think we made it very clear many times on the FF )
Flyblue delivered our concerns to Danny, and she is to be thanked for that.
I hope those little crooks will have some time to think about it.
What drugs are you on, MrPilot28??? I haven't sent any emails to you. 
All I was trying to do was clarify a discrepancy between the two pieces of information in the original two posts. One person said they've been arrested, you said they've been found guilty. Which one is it? Is that really so difficult to comprehend?
You're right, flite idol. Am I using a different English language?
All I was trying to do was clarify a discrepancy between the two pieces of information in the original two posts. One person said they've been arrested, you said they've been found guilty. Which one is it? Is that really so difficult to comprehend?
You're right, flite idol. Am I using a different English language?
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JAC Police Contact Details
Hi guys
Sorry to keep going on about this but I've just spoken to the police and they have asked me to post their contact details here. A Judge ruled on Friday evening that Auclerc and Alexandre posed too much of a flight risk so therefore must stay in prison until trial (about four to six months).
They really want to hear from anyone who has done business with them, anyone who lost money with them, or anyone with any info about them.
So if you know anyone that might know something it would be appreciated if you could pass on the contact details.
Thanks
Santan.
Contact Person:
Mr. Hans Jürgen Mertes
Kriminaloberkommissar
Address of the police
Polizeipräsidium Frankfurt am Main
Kriminaldirektion - Kommissariat 32
Adickesallee 70
60322 Frankfurt am Main
Tel.: ++49-69-755-53212
Fax.: ++49-69-755-53209
Sorry to keep going on about this but I've just spoken to the police and they have asked me to post their contact details here. A Judge ruled on Friday evening that Auclerc and Alexandre posed too much of a flight risk so therefore must stay in prison until trial (about four to six months).
They really want to hear from anyone who has done business with them, anyone who lost money with them, or anyone with any info about them.
So if you know anyone that might know something it would be appreciated if you could pass on the contact details.
Thanks
Santan.
Contact Person:
Mr. Hans Jürgen Mertes
Kriminaloberkommissar
Address of the police
Polizeipräsidium Frankfurt am Main
Kriminaldirektion - Kommissariat 32
Adickesallee 70
60322 Frankfurt am Main
Tel.: ++49-69-755-53212
Fax.: ++49-69-755-53209
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