AA Pilot Gives 'Come to Jesus' PA
It was unprofessional of the pilot to scare the passengers and to insult them by calling them "crazy" if they did not raise their hand.
He may not have meant to scare them, but he should have thought about that. It is reasonable, given what has happened, for the passengers to worry that a hijacking was in progress or that the pilot was suicidal.
He should realize that many people are uncomfortable with people who preach their religion. By asking the Christians on board to explain their beliefs to others he was bound to make some people unhappy, even some Christians. The airline should want the passengers to have a safe and comfortable flight, not make them wish they were someplace else.
I would not want to identify my religion and proselytize to a bunch of complete strangers. That is not why I pay to fly somewhere.
He may not have meant to scare them, but he should have thought about that. It is reasonable, given what has happened, for the passengers to worry that a hijacking was in progress or that the pilot was suicidal.
He should realize that many people are uncomfortable with people who preach their religion. By asking the Christians on board to explain their beliefs to others he was bound to make some people unhappy, even some Christians. The airline should want the passengers to have a safe and comfortable flight, not make them wish they were someplace else.
I would not want to identify my religion and proselytize to a bunch of complete strangers. That is not why I pay to fly somewhere.
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Just a suggestion....
If this captain had been enjoying the 3 hours cruising flight doing something else, for instance kniting (I tried it, it's recommended to ease the stress and all that sort of thing) hidden behind the cockpit locked door, the media would not have spoken of AA.
Why not a refreshment course about kniting for AA captains?
Why not a refreshment course about kniting for AA captains?
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grandpa,
The time might be better spent reading an Arizona author's guide on "How to be as perfect as I am!".
There's a time and a place for pretty much any topic but this was neither. No one I've spoken to condones it or defends it, irrespective of their religious beliefs, given the "audience".
IMO if [in hindsight] the Captain realises this was a very poor choice and such choices won't be repeated, end of story.
After all, it's not as if he had a "uniform malfunction" during boarding!
Cheers,dd
The time might be better spent reading an Arizona author's guide on "How to be as perfect as I am!".
There's a time and a place for pretty much any topic but this was neither. No one I've spoken to condones it or defends it, irrespective of their religious beliefs, given the "audience".
IMO if [in hindsight] the Captain realises this was a very poor choice and such choices won't be repeated, end of story.
After all, it's not as if he had a "uniform malfunction" during boarding!
Cheers,dd
Any topics as personal as religion or politics are best never discussed with total strangers. Should not historical intolerance or hostility toward people who have different beliefs/attitudes have been adequate reasons for the overzealous guy to wait until he was in his street clothes and look for converts? And only in person? No matter how well he was received during his stay in Costa Rica or wherever..........most people might not want to be 'converted' to anything, unless it brings them better security, food and shelter...
Is he fairly new to the "Blue Planet", with no historical awareness of the murderous human race?
Is he fairly new to the "Blue Planet", with no historical awareness of the murderous human race?
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Put an end?
Sure DD I had enough with it.
Before I quit, I have nevertheless something to add: do you know the "Captain's Parable"?
" Onboard this world, as a plane.
Many preachers lecturing us.
Telling what's right, what's insane.
And all they wish, you can guess,
It is to be our captain
Before I quit, I have nevertheless something to add: do you know the "Captain's Parable"?
" Onboard this world, as a plane.
Many preachers lecturing us.
Telling what's right, what's insane.
And all they wish, you can guess,
It is to be our captain
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'Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. Welcome aboard Funfilled Airline flight 555 to Tinnyreef. Will all heterosexuals please raise their hands. Now that you have identified all the homosexuals on board, please talk to them and convince them of the error of their ways'...
I wonder which trash company would employ me to empty their bins?
The man should be removed from contact with the general public. It is none of his damned business what anyone's religious beliefs, or any other belief is; it's entirely personal and nothing to do with anyone else.
I wonder which trash company would employ me to empty their bins?
The man should be removed from contact with the general public. It is none of his damned business what anyone's religious beliefs, or any other belief is; it's entirely personal and nothing to do with anyone else.
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HotDog,
With all due respect Father, those who seek shall find, or so it is written; we do not need it rammed down the proverbial throat.
I think the English right to privacy should be enshrined, at the earliest opportunity, in the American constitution.
With all due respect Father, those who seek shall find, or so it is written; we do not need it rammed down the proverbial throat.
I think the English right to privacy should be enshrined, at the earliest opportunity, in the American constitution.
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Now I may be missing something here but if I was advised by the Captain to discuss Jesus mid flight I would want off.
Images of impending doom would loom!
Mind you I feel sorry for his FO. “Had a great time flying with Cpt. X, learnt nothing of how to fly but am off to become a monk! Will that effect my bonding?”
Images of impending doom would loom!
Mind you I feel sorry for his FO. “Had a great time flying with Cpt. X, learnt nothing of how to fly but am off to become a monk! Will that effect my bonding?”
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Speaking as an individual who has the uncanny ability to see through the forest to the trees:
I give you that this whole incident points to the greater problem of the caliber of American Airlines pilots.
American Airlines has always hired "sheep". Talk to any American Airlines pilot and you will quickly see that the individual has no spine, and is simply a sheep with a follower mentality, devoid of any leadership qualities.
These timid individuals allow themselves to be whipsawed by the company as well as their own union "alpha-sheep" leaders. They sit passively as their cockpit mate flies them into a Columbian hillside, or into a raging Arkansas thunderstorm, or through Connecticut treetops, or lands 1000 meters short of the runway in Chicago, or as a group, allow themselves to be "trained" to make violent rudder inputs as a response to a simple, benign wake turbulence encounter.
These people, who squatted with apparent glee in order to obtain the stool samples they had to submit pre-employment, should be made to realize that in the real world, it is the weak and diseased who dabble in and around excrement.
And there is no place for excrement in aviation.
If my friends, you are ever asked to gather up your own excrement and present it for a job that is not within the food service industry...I suggest you consider that "If they make me do this, they know I will do anything they wish and am just a malleable jellyfish."
Just the facts as I see them.
And yes all of you American Airlines arrogant sheep....they are all facts!!!
Cali, Little Rock, Chicago, New York, Boeings,and Airbusses OH MY!
I give you that this whole incident points to the greater problem of the caliber of American Airlines pilots.
American Airlines has always hired "sheep". Talk to any American Airlines pilot and you will quickly see that the individual has no spine, and is simply a sheep with a follower mentality, devoid of any leadership qualities.
These timid individuals allow themselves to be whipsawed by the company as well as their own union "alpha-sheep" leaders. They sit passively as their cockpit mate flies them into a Columbian hillside, or into a raging Arkansas thunderstorm, or through Connecticut treetops, or lands 1000 meters short of the runway in Chicago, or as a group, allow themselves to be "trained" to make violent rudder inputs as a response to a simple, benign wake turbulence encounter.
These people, who squatted with apparent glee in order to obtain the stool samples they had to submit pre-employment, should be made to realize that in the real world, it is the weak and diseased who dabble in and around excrement.
And there is no place for excrement in aviation.
If my friends, you are ever asked to gather up your own excrement and present it for a job that is not within the food service industry...I suggest you consider that "If they make me do this, they know I will do anything they wish and am just a malleable jellyfish."
Just the facts as I see them.
And yes all of you American Airlines arrogant sheep....they are all facts!!!
Cali, Little Rock, Chicago, New York, Boeings,and Airbusses OH MY!
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Attention jonntyrhodes and 411A:
I am very sorry that you couldn't get hired at American Airlines. I have no idea why they turned you down.
Maybe you flunked the rigorous medical. Possibly a former employer gave a less than stellar remark about your flying abilities? Was there something that didn't quite add up in your logbook?
Whatever the reason, you were rejected. And you are still angry.
Get over it and try to keep the whiny comments out of your posts about American Airlines pilots.
They obviously hired some idiots. That can happen at any airline, especially one that has 14,000 people on the seniority list. My own airline has its own share of goofballs. They all do. If you have any experience in the industry you will know that.
So grow up.
MS
I am very sorry that you couldn't get hired at American Airlines. I have no idea why they turned you down.
Maybe you flunked the rigorous medical. Possibly a former employer gave a less than stellar remark about your flying abilities? Was there something that didn't quite add up in your logbook?
Whatever the reason, you were rejected. And you are still angry.
Get over it and try to keep the whiny comments out of your posts about American Airlines pilots.
They obviously hired some idiots. That can happen at any airline, especially one that has 14,000 people on the seniority list. My own airline has its own share of goofballs. They all do. If you have any experience in the industry you will know that.
So grow up.
MS
Press the call button and say to the cabin staff "Tell that god-bothering motherf***er to shut the f*** up. Now!"
Damn happy-clapping Jesus-freaks should remember that religion has caused more wars throughout history than anything else.
Damn happy-clapping Jesus-freaks should remember that religion has caused more wars throughout history than anything else.
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Jonntyrhodes.
Where is "on the edge of sanity"?
I think you are far beyond it.
I am an AA pilot, and as someone previously mentioned,there
are some oddballs around,and I certainly disagree with the pilot in question, but I take great offense to being
called "sheep".
Are you a pilot,and if so I wonder who hired you?
Glad you are not at AA or any other major.
Where is "on the edge of sanity"?
I think you are far beyond it.
I am an AA pilot, and as someone previously mentioned,there
are some oddballs around,and I certainly disagree with the pilot in question, but I take great offense to being
called "sheep".
Are you a pilot,and if so I wonder who hired you?
Glad you are not at AA or any other major.
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Looks like they`ve been at it again! According to the news on TV last night an AA flight departing from DFW to Californian had to download the pax due to an "unusual smell" in the cabin. Once cleared by maintenance they reloaded all of the pax with the exception of four Catholic nuns. The ticket agent was quoted as saying that the Captain was "not comfortable" having them on HIS aircraft! Tickets refunded and left to fend for themselves. Another PR coup for AA pilots! At least it shows they are not just prejudiced towards non-christians.
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Your post is not quite accurate. There were six people involved, four of them nuns. All six exhibited an odor of sulphur. They were not left to fend for themselves.
CNN story with all details
Four California nuns say they were among six passengers kept off an American Airlines flight in January after crew members complained of a sulfur smell in the cabin and ordered passengers off the plane.
Attendants on the Fresno flight reported something that "smelled like sulfur," and the pilot ordered all of the passengers to deplane. All but six passengers were quickly cleared to re-board the aircraft, and all of those eventually were cleared and booked on another flight.