Overnight at the Hotel 747-400
I can imagine this (perhaps) at some sort of God-forsaken mid-ocean diversion (Narssuasaq, say) - but at LHR? Hardly a shortage of facilities of any kind, and with the Press just a local rate phone call and 20 minutes down the M4 away?
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
This doesn't ring true.
There must have been some crew onboard to handle an evacuation in case of fire, regardless of country or airline concerned.
There must have been some crew onboard to handle an evacuation in case of fire, regardless of country or airline concerned.
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Quite unbelievable..
There MUST have been at least minimum crew on board. Who will evacuate the A/C in case of fire?
I can´t believe, that this could have happened without major consequences for everybody concerned, from the groundagent to the flight att. to the cockpit crew.
Maybe they weren´t very visible, but i believe they were there..
Greetings from "Old Europe"
There MUST have been at least minimum crew on board. Who will evacuate the A/C in case of fire?
I can´t believe, that this could have happened without major consequences for everybody concerned, from the groundagent to the flight att. to the cockpit crew.
Maybe they weren´t very visible, but i believe they were there..
Greetings from "Old Europe"
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Oh Come on Guys /Gals.
I just completed a search on the many many posts of Mr Speed of Sound.
He or she has never ever posted anything technical, specific or intelligent................just a heap of General, Provocative and Sensationalist posts, he/she is winding you up, and your falling for it hook line and sinker!
Drop over to Rotorheads every now and again....we normally sort these dicks out very quickly!
He or she has never ever posted anything technical, specific or intelligent................just a heap of General, Provocative and Sensationalist posts, he/she is winding you up, and your falling for it hook line and sinker!
Drop over to Rotorheads every now and again....we normally sort these dicks out very quickly!
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Can we have some more detail?
The person who told me this, who was on board that night, has now received a letter of apology from the carrier concerned with an offer of compensation. Not exactly the actions of a blameless company. She has also made a report to the CAA and BAA Heathrow, who both confirmed that hers wasn't the only complaint that had been made.
I assume that Old Man Rotor has a connection with the carrier concerned as he appears to be keen to supress discussion of this topic.
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If (Big If) This is true then name the carrier. Agree with everyone else though, it would be out in the open by now and I see no reason why pax would be kept on board-especially in the current climate, at LHR.
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There is NO way that this can be true. If the aircraft had been on the ground and the passengers had been kept onboard then i'm sure one of them would of put in a call to a newspaper! And what would of happended to the passengers who had friends/family meeting them at the other end - did they stay onboard the aircraft and not bother to tell them?
Pure fiction in my opinion!
Pure fiction in my opinion!
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SOS-----No contact with anyone concerned.
Just can smell a wind up when I see it.
But you have been good so far...and got this thread into its 3rd page...well done.
Wonder why all the lower level journalists have not picked up on this post?
Perhaps they can also smell!!!
But then again, perhaps you are one.
But you have been good so far...and got this thread into its 3rd page...well done.
Wonder why all the lower level journalists have not picked up on this post?
Perhaps they can also smell!!!
But then again, perhaps you are one.
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Lets face it - stranger things happen at sea! I cant believe most of you lot cant believe it when bigger disasters have happened with aircraft going down from 9/11 to the stewardess surviving an explosion from an aircraft at over 30000 feet in the 70's?
Why do people drive down a street the wrong way and get away with it in some countries? How did Princess Ann stop her dog from getting put down? Nobody died, just a few people got pissed and some more pissed off!!!
Why do people drive down a street the wrong way and get away with it in some countries? How did Princess Ann stop her dog from getting put down? Nobody died, just a few people got pissed and some more pissed off!!!
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Nothing adds up on this one. Another point in question - deploying jetbridge to allow smokers into 'departure gate' (I'm guessing you mean the gate room?)- no way would BAA allow this.
SoS, come on, fess up once and for all, what's your agenda?
SoS, come on, fess up once and for all, what's your agenda?
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I've watched this thread since it started and I feel that some of you are missing the point. Just because it should not happen does not mean that it will not.
Phrases like, "no way would BAA allow this" and, "the DFT would never allow this to happen" show that you have not been at Heathrow at 0200. Even the Jobsworths have gone home at that time.
Imagine. Flight crew get off because they are out of hours. One of them vaguely remembers that it is OK to leave it full of passengers as there is "engineering cover" - but he is just the charge hand doing the oils and looks like an engineer.
Cabin crew get antsy half an hour later and tell the last remaining ground agent that they are getting off. "You can't do that!"....
Watch us. Es no mio probleme.
During the night the occasional ground agent might look in to see what's going on or an engineer might appear to do a bit of light maintenance. APU keeps going.
Passengers wander into the gate lounge. Smoke, stretch, get bored, sleep.
Morning shift come on and find aircraft full of people, so do the normal thing and dispatch it. Tracking have meanwhile found a new flight and cabin crew and all goes ahead.
I've seen all of this. Not on the same day and the same flight, but it can all come together on one day. Maybe it did.
Phrases like, "no way would BAA allow this" and, "the DFT would never allow this to happen" show that you have not been at Heathrow at 0200. Even the Jobsworths have gone home at that time.
Imagine. Flight crew get off because they are out of hours. One of them vaguely remembers that it is OK to leave it full of passengers as there is "engineering cover" - but he is just the charge hand doing the oils and looks like an engineer.
Cabin crew get antsy half an hour later and tell the last remaining ground agent that they are getting off. "You can't do that!"....
Watch us. Es no mio probleme.
During the night the occasional ground agent might look in to see what's going on or an engineer might appear to do a bit of light maintenance. APU keeps going.
Passengers wander into the gate lounge. Smoke, stretch, get bored, sleep.
Morning shift come on and find aircraft full of people, so do the normal thing and dispatch it. Tracking have meanwhile found a new flight and cabin crew and all goes ahead.
I've seen all of this. Not on the same day and the same flight, but it can all come together on one day. Maybe it did.
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Incident happened as described. Airline was Korean. Flight was cancelled at 0230 when it finally became apparent that the flight was not going to depart that night. No hotels or transport available at this time so both the passengers and CREW remained on the aircraft for the rest of the evening.
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Whatever the (regulatory) implications of going over on hours, seems to me they pale in comparison to leaving the pax on the airframe without adult supervision.
So, pax were not alone on the aircraft. My faith is restored. Thankfully it turned out to be good, old-fashioned crew abuse. Bad, but perhaps not unbelievably stupid.
Dave
So, pax were not alone on the aircraft. My faith is restored. Thankfully it turned out to be good, old-fashioned crew abuse. Bad, but perhaps not unbelievably stupid.
Dave