New Longhaul Record
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and at 151 PAX nobody is doing it profitably either. Boeing flew a 747 from LHR to Australia to prove a point. Problem was there was only 25 people on board to make it. It makes no diff that it can be done, we are in this business to do one thing.......MAKE MONEY. 
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SQ wouldn't be doing it if they weren't making money. Those executive economy seats aren't cheap - it's like BA's World Traveller +.
I thought the point by our two Australian friends was well made - "I wonder what the block times are on this route when operated by other types?" indeed. 18 hrs 20 is a significant achievement.
I thought the point by our two Australian friends was well made - "I wonder what the block times are on this route when operated by other types?" indeed. 18 hrs 20 is a significant achievement.
And the record still is held by Qantas for thier famous double sunrise scehduled flights from Perth to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) during the war. Radio silent, and with mail and only 3-4 pax, they left pre dawn and arrived about 30 hours later, the following day....
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Oh yeah - it was in a Catalina
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Oh yeah - it was in a Catalina
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That's exactly what I thought when I read it! As SLF points out, I'm sure they have been duly compensated, alternatively, SQ have lowered their standards!
That's exactly what I thought when I read it! As SLF points out, I'm sure they have been duly compensated, alternatively, SQ have lowered their standards!
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Don’t want to get into an Airbus versus Boeing slanging match here, but I was told recently that the new 777-300 ER with 250 pax and baggage on board weighs the same as an empty A340-600. If that’s true, Boeing’s going to clean up big time with the bean counters. And the new 777 when it comes out is capable of going further than the 340, isn’t it? Is there anyone out there who can say whether these figures are true?
I know for a fact that on shorter legs, the 777 fuel burn is significantly less than the A430s, as I was in Auckland recently and heard an A340-500 and a 777-300 both pass their fuel figures over the company radio. The 340 was heading for Sydney, the 777 for Brisbane (which is a little further). I can’t remember the exact figures, but the 340’s burn was a lot more than the 777’s, (as in many tons more), and the 773 carries a lot more passengers than the 340-500. Don’t know the loads of the two aircraft, but even if the 777 had been empty and the 340 full, the difference in the fuel burn was still amazing.
Someone told me some time ago that any sector under 10.5 hours was a loss maker for the 340. Again, this is all hearsay.
I know for a fact that on shorter legs, the 777 fuel burn is significantly less than the A430s, as I was in Auckland recently and heard an A340-500 and a 777-300 both pass their fuel figures over the company radio. The 340 was heading for Sydney, the 777 for Brisbane (which is a little further). I can’t remember the exact figures, but the 340’s burn was a lot more than the 777’s, (as in many tons more), and the 773 carries a lot more passengers than the 340-500. Don’t know the loads of the two aircraft, but even if the 777 had been empty and the 340 full, the difference in the fuel burn was still amazing.
Someone told me some time ago that any sector under 10.5 hours was a loss maker for the 340. Again, this is all hearsay.
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I think that Fubaar has the right idea about the 777-300ER vs A340-600 relative weight story but is a little off in magnitude.
Using the OWE's provided by supercarb, a 777-300ER with 100 pax & bags weighs the same as an empty A340-600.
Still, this ought to make for some interesting economic comparisons.
Using the OWE's provided by supercarb, a 777-300ER with 100 pax & bags weighs the same as an empty A340-600.
Still, this ought to make for some interesting economic comparisons.
