New Longhaul Record
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Two meals in sixteen hours is not unreasonable when you consider that there'll be a little self service bar, where pax can get snacks, drinks etc. as they wish.
Good on SQ, a leader once again.
As to the fuel requirement, I was just trying to work it out myself and came up with around 126t, based on 18h at 7t per hour, on average, but then you need to add in holding time and a diversion to SFO/SJC or LAS, so that probably brings it up to around 135-140t, plus OEW (170.5), plus pax/freight (say 20t), still well within the MTOW of 365t.
Good on SQ, a leader once again.
As to the fuel requirement, I was just trying to work it out myself and came up with around 126t, based on 18h at 7t per hour, on average, but then you need to add in holding time and a diversion to SFO/SJC or LAS, so that probably brings it up to around 135-140t, plus OEW (170.5), plus pax/freight (say 20t), still well within the MTOW of 365t.
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Longtimer,
I think I read somewhere that SIA is using two complete crews for these flights. Each crew has two rest periods during the duty. If memory serves I read this at www.justplanes.com on Wednesday.
I must admit I don't think I'd fancy this duty as a crewmember or the trip as a passenger.
I think I read somewhere that SIA is using two complete crews for these flights. Each crew has two rest periods during the duty. If memory serves I read this at www.justplanes.com on Wednesday.
I must admit I don't think I'd fancy this duty as a crewmember or the trip as a passenger.
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Even on the 747-400 on flights that exceed 14 which are quite a few,you need two complete crews. Different airlines comply with the rule differently.
Some airlines use 2 Captains. Some Use one Captain and 3 First Officers. I believe tht one would have to be type rated to do this. United type rated everybody in this long range crew for that purpose even though many times people did not get takeoffs and landings. The number of legs per month can be as few as 6 in a normal month often split by a Captain and First Officer.
Still other airlines use a relief pilot or cruise captain that is training to function as Captain from cruise and is usually only able to takeoff and land from the right seat.
Some airlines use Second Officers(not to be confused with a flight engineer which is not to be confused with an engineer in some parts of the world is a mechanic) who are ONLY qualified at cruise or once the airplane is airborne.
Either way, you are tired at the end of the trip!
Some airlines use 2 Captains. Some Use one Captain and 3 First Officers. I believe tht one would have to be type rated to do this. United type rated everybody in this long range crew for that purpose even though many times people did not get takeoffs and landings. The number of legs per month can be as few as 6 in a normal month often split by a Captain and First Officer.
Still other airlines use a relief pilot or cruise captain that is training to function as Captain from cruise and is usually only able to takeoff and land from the right seat.
Some airlines use Second Officers(not to be confused with a flight engineer which is not to be confused with an engineer in some parts of the world is a mechanic) who are ONLY qualified at cruise or once the airplane is airborne.
Either way, you are tired at the end of the trip!
If you want to see where the tracks for these amazing long haul flights go to have a play around at:-
Great Circle Mapper
How long will it be before we see London Sydney non stop, I wonder?
Great Circle Mapper
How long will it be before we see London Sydney non stop, I wonder?
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Heard the same... then a few months later they shelved the idea.
It was Air Tahiti Nui and they figured that it wouldn't be economic to go CDG-PPT direct as the traffic CDG-LAX and LAX-PPT pax made the whole gig viable..
It was Air Tahiti Nui and they figured that it wouldn't be economic to go CDG-PPT direct as the traffic CDG-LAX and LAX-PPT pax made the whole gig viable..
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Fireflybob,
The great circle routes you pointed out don't always coincide with reality. An example is Air Canada's non-stop YYZ-DEL service, which flies well south of the great circle track (due to political restrictions imposed by Russia's ban on overflights of her territory).
As for SQ's LAX-SIN service (SQ19), I note from the display on www. passur.com that it heads out of LAX due west for at least 80 miles (climbing slowly - little wonder, hauling that s***load of fuel). It seems to me, if it followed a great circle track, it should turn towards the NW much sooner. I'm just SLF - can someone confirm this or correct me?
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The great circle routes you pointed out don't always coincide with reality. An example is Air Canada's non-stop YYZ-DEL service, which flies well south of the great circle track (due to political restrictions imposed by Russia's ban on overflights of her territory).
As for SQ's LAX-SIN service (SQ19), I note from the display on www. passur.com that it heads out of LAX due west for at least 80 miles (climbing slowly - little wonder, hauling that s***load of fuel). It seems to me, if it followed a great circle track, it should turn towards the NW much sooner. I'm just SLF - can someone confirm this or correct me?
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Correct me if I am wrong but if something is built in Wales, then they are usually called British made. If something is made in England then its usually called made in England or referred to as Anglo.
The trouble is all Airbus wings are built in Hawarden in Wales. The Airbus 340 is assembled in France although the A320 family is assembled in Hamburg, Germany with other components from other countries in world including Spain. I am not sure if there much about the aircraft that is English or Anglo at all so how can it be Anglo? Then the word Anglo derives from the word Angel a once German tribe like the Saxons so may you are right after all!
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The trouble is all Airbus wings are built in Hawarden in Wales. The Airbus 340 is assembled in France although the A320 family is assembled in Hamburg, Germany with other components from other countries in world including Spain. I am not sure if there much about the aircraft that is English or Anglo at all so how can it be Anglo? Then the word Anglo derives from the word Angel a once German tribe like the Saxons so may you are right after all!
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Talking to mates on the fleet it seems that the double flight deck crew will be taking two rest periods each, with one longer than the other. The rest facilities feature a business standard seat with fully interactive entertainment system and bed.
Apparently crews on the ultra long haul flights will have two rostered days off prior to the flight, three nights at the destination, and minimum four local nights off after the trip.
Apparently crews on the ultra long haul flights will have two rostered days off prior to the flight, three nights at the destination, and minimum four local nights off after the trip.
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The Great Circle route does not do well in understanding winds aloft so is more interesting in theory than in practice.
On UA's ORD-HKG route, for example, the eastbound flight at this time of year crosses the Pacific and the westbound flight does not.
On UA's ORD-HKG route, for example, the eastbound flight at this time of year crosses the Pacific and the westbound flight does not.
