BA reveals post-11 Sept recovery figures
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BA reveals post-11 Sept recovery figures
Traffic on British Airways flights fell in November for the 10th consecutive month, but showed some improvement on the month before.
The number of passengers flying with BA was 17.8% lower last month than in November 2000.
In October, however, traffic fell by a steeper 24.7% compared with the same month in 2000.
At the same time, BA reported that it had cut capacity on the airline by 14.6% below November of last year.
In its statement, BA reported that "trading remains challenging", particularly for premium traffic - passengers travelling in business class.
The traffic improvement on October pushed BA's shares to close at 222.5p, up from their opening level of 207.5p.
Business travellers stay away
The reduction in traffic included a 24.8% drop for premium class and 16.3% decline for non-premium, or economy, class.
The passenger load factor, which measures the level of passenger take-up of seats, was, at 63.9%, down 2.4 points on November 2000.
BA said that the relative improvement in traffic, compared with October, was driven by ticket promotions.
"Non-premium traffic has been responsive to this type of price stimulation," said the BA statement.
"Premium traffic remains weak," it added.
Cheap tickets
The airlines also said that the promotions - which have put more than 100,000 discounted tickets on sale - were affecting yields.
Cargo carried on the BA aircraft fell by 18.8%.
Separately, the traffic and capacity statement from BA recorded that Concorde had returned to a commercial service between London and New York, and to Barbados.
The airline also said that it was expanding capacity to Tobago, Grenada, Antigua and St Lucia during the winter to cope with extra demand.
The number of passengers flying with BA was 17.8% lower last month than in November 2000.
In October, however, traffic fell by a steeper 24.7% compared with the same month in 2000.
At the same time, BA reported that it had cut capacity on the airline by 14.6% below November of last year.
In its statement, BA reported that "trading remains challenging", particularly for premium traffic - passengers travelling in business class.
The traffic improvement on October pushed BA's shares to close at 222.5p, up from their opening level of 207.5p.
Business travellers stay away
The reduction in traffic included a 24.8% drop for premium class and 16.3% decline for non-premium, or economy, class.
The passenger load factor, which measures the level of passenger take-up of seats, was, at 63.9%, down 2.4 points on November 2000.
BA said that the relative improvement in traffic, compared with October, was driven by ticket promotions.
"Non-premium traffic has been responsive to this type of price stimulation," said the BA statement.
"Premium traffic remains weak," it added.
Cheap tickets
The airlines also said that the promotions - which have put more than 100,000 discounted tickets on sale - were affecting yields.
Cargo carried on the BA aircraft fell by 18.8%.
Separately, the traffic and capacity statement from BA recorded that Concorde had returned to a commercial service between London and New York, and to Barbados.
The airline also said that it was expanding capacity to Tobago, Grenada, Antigua and St Lucia during the winter to cope with extra demand.
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And yet see how that same information is headlined in wildly diferent ways
BA traffic remains on downward path... Guardian Unlimited
BA says traffic is levelling out... Electronic Telegraph
BA reveals hopes of traffic revival... BBC
BA passenger traffic continues to fall... itv.com
BA passenger figures cheer shares... Evening Standard
British Airways reports drop in passengers... Ananova
BA traffic remains on downward path... Guardian Unlimited
BA says traffic is levelling out... Electronic Telegraph
BA reveals hopes of traffic revival... BBC
BA passenger traffic continues to fall... itv.com
BA passenger figures cheer shares... Evening Standard
British Airways reports drop in passengers... Ananova
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Some of you guys should pardon your own ignorance sometimes.
Airlines recognise that their barometers are measured each month by the same month against the previous year. Remember this rule, ITS IMPORTANT.
You cannot measure one month against the last month, because some months are busier than others. You try a typical Feb Pax against a typical Sept pax.
Airlines recognise that their barometers are measured each month by the same month against the previous year. Remember this rule, ITS IMPORTANT.
You cannot measure one month against the last month, because some months are busier than others. You try a typical Feb Pax against a typical Sept pax.
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Well, there can't be many other major airlines (other than the low cost boys) that can say that their figures are up on last month - so at least things are going the right way.
So what if some of these seats are only filled because of the sale - that has to be better than none.
My brother (BA B777 FO) tells me that although their Boston route is now twice daily rather than three times, they are full or near full every time. This is, of course, part of the capacity reduction programme that was underway before 11th sept, but still has to be good news.
So what if some of these seats are only filled because of the sale - that has to be better than none.
My brother (BA B777 FO) tells me that although their Boston route is now twice daily rather than three times, they are full or near full every time. This is, of course, part of the capacity reduction programme that was underway before 11th sept, but still has to be good news.
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So finally the market was suffering from a gross overcapacity Sept. 11 only helped the long overdue adjustment. C´mon chaps the whole thing was becoming unsustainable delays
overloaded airport infrastructure,frayed tempers et al.
When this settles down, the low cost carriers
although offering a good product will begin to face competition from the remaining "classic" airlines,with deep pockets, which will hit yields drastically.I predict mergers in this area which will consolidate market share and slow expansion,on the other hand I´ve been wrong many times before.
overloaded airport infrastructure,frayed tempers et al.
When this settles down, the low cost carriers
although offering a good product will begin to face competition from the remaining "classic" airlines,with deep pockets, which will hit yields drastically.I predict mergers in this area which will consolidate market share and slow expansion,on the other hand I´ve been wrong many times before.
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Some more info:
11 Dec London to Madrid
12 Dec Madrid to london
BA (from LGW) £525 (no deals available)
EasyJet (from LTN) £130
BM (from LHR) £525 ish
Guess I'll make the same choice again, I like the M25.
When will they learn?
11 Dec London to Madrid
12 Dec Madrid to london
BA (from LGW) £525 (no deals available)
EasyJet (from LTN) £130
BM (from LHR) £525 ish
Guess I'll make the same choice again, I like the M25.
When will they learn?
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You are trying to compare two different products, BA is not a low cost carrier. Why don`t compare EasyJet to Go, ie like for like?
LTN is miles from you with hell of a drive in both time, miles and traveling on 2 of the worst motorways in the UK.
I managed to beat EasyJet`s fare from LTN-MAD-LTN departing from your local airport as well!
Air Europa offers a daily flight
DEPT LGW @ 1450 ARR MAD @ 1800
DEPT MAD @ 1240 ARR LGW @ 1350
v class booking for 11 Dec/rtn 12 Dec
Rtn fare £113.51
tax £ 12.99
Total £126.50
They have flights to BCN via MAD, and a frequent fliers programme.
www.air-europa.com
[ 07 December 2001: Message edited by: euroboy ]
You are trying to compare two different products, BA is not a low cost carrier. Why don`t compare EasyJet to Go, ie like for like?
LTN is miles from you with hell of a drive in both time, miles and traveling on 2 of the worst motorways in the UK.
I managed to beat EasyJet`s fare from LTN-MAD-LTN departing from your local airport as well!
Air Europa offers a daily flight
DEPT LGW @ 1450 ARR MAD @ 1800
DEPT MAD @ 1240 ARR LGW @ 1350
v class booking for 11 Dec/rtn 12 Dec
Rtn fare £113.51
tax £ 12.99
Total £126.50
They have flights to BCN via MAD, and a frequent fliers programme.
www.air-europa.com
[ 07 December 2001: Message edited by: euroboy ]
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What's the point of a short haul 'full service' airline, especially if you're travelling in Y? The only differences between the likes of Go and BA are:
1) BA provides free onboard catering (value - approximately £1.50)
2) BA provides a free newspaper (value - approximately 40p)
3) BA provides a frequent flyer programe (value - sod all unless you're a frequent flyer)
4) ... er, thats it.
So, for £1.90 worth of benefits (£3.80 round trip) a 'full service' airline charges some £400 more? And that's worth it?!?!
I don't think so!
1) BA provides free onboard catering (value - approximately £1.50)
2) BA provides a free newspaper (value - approximately 40p)
3) BA provides a frequent flyer programe (value - sod all unless you're a frequent flyer)
4) ... er, thats it.
So, for £1.90 worth of benefits (£3.80 round trip) a 'full service' airline charges some £400 more? And that's worth it?!?!
I don't think so!
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Guv, all the prices in my previous posts were indeed Y class.
More and more people are waking up to the fact that "Full Service" means Rip off.
£400 for a meal, drink and newspaper is not good value.
euroboy, good point about air europa, I'll check it out next time. The fact is though that I WILL drive to LTN to save me or my customer, who is paying the fare, £400. Just think, my willingness to do so (and lower my prices) may be the difference to me getting the business against my competitor who prefers the (FREE) meal and convenience. Pleased to hear that Easyjet will start flying LGW to BCN in Feb 02, then I won't even have to drive to LTN.
BA's cost's are out of control, and unless they act who knows what future they will have. LGW's days must be numbered for BA.
More and more people are waking up to the fact that "Full Service" means Rip off.
£400 for a meal, drink and newspaper is not good value.
euroboy, good point about air europa, I'll check it out next time. The fact is though that I WILL drive to LTN to save me or my customer, who is paying the fare, £400. Just think, my willingness to do so (and lower my prices) may be the difference to me getting the business against my competitor who prefers the (FREE) meal and convenience. Pleased to hear that Easyjet will start flying LGW to BCN in Feb 02, then I won't even have to drive to LTN.
BA's cost's are out of control, and unless they act who knows what future they will have. LGW's days must be numbered for BA.
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You're not comparing like with like. I bet if you change your plans and don't want to go on the same day, easy will keep your money and tell you to p**s off ! By comparison, that BA fare you quoted, was almost certainly a full fare (fully flexible) economy (sorry - euro traveller!)fare. Also, if you're not so worried about exactly when you go, try staying away over a Saturday - you will probably find a BA fare to match Easy.
Cheap Easy versus pricey BA is not quite as simplistic or true as it may appear.
Cheap Easy versus pricey BA is not quite as simplistic or true as it may appear.
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liftyryce - OK, so you want to travel midweek and you want to change your return ticket. Even if a single ticket were to cost the same as the original round trip in the EZY example used here - £130 - you're still saving £270 over BA's flexible fare! And of course if you don't have a flexible fare with the 'full service' carrier you're in the same position of having to buy another one or pay a change penalty of £100 per sector.
Nope, still can't come up with any justification for using a 'full service' airline ... try again!
Nope, still can't come up with any justification for using a 'full service' airline ... try again!
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From today's Scotsman. Says it all, really.
Passenger figures soar at no-frills airlines
IAIN DEY
NO-FRILLS airlines won a further round in the battle for the skies yesterday as both Go and easyJet reported huge increases in passenger numbers.
Go, formerly part of British Airways, carried almost 360,000 passengers in November - a massive 63 per cent rise on 2000.
Its larger rival easyJet posted a 39 per cent rise in passenger traffic on last year’s figures, carrying more than 690,000 passengers across its routes.
Earlier this week British Airways announced its tenth successive month of spiralling passenger numbers.
A spokesman for easyJet said: "We’re still looking to increase our market share further so BA had better start looking over its shoulder."
Go added: "We are always looking to expand our routes and will definitely see continued expansion."
Both easyJet and Go, along with Irish carrier Ryanair, have offered discounted fares since 11 September in order to keep people flying.
BA, which saw November traffic plunge 17.8 per cent against last year, has run several promotions but generally kept ticket prices around their usual value.
The budget carriers are now looking to capitalise on their current strength and swoop in for flight slots left vacant by Europe’s ailing traditional airlines.
The easyJet spokesman said: "There are so many good opportunities in the market at the moment. Brussels is the political capital of Europe, but since Sabena collapsed, the airport has been virtually empty. Somebody has to fly there."
He refused to rule out further expansion on its Scottish routes, suggesting a service to Brussels could be particularly successful. He added that easyJet was keen to take on slots left vacant by Swiss flag carrier Swiss Air, particularly at Zurich.
IAIN DEY
NO-FRILLS airlines won a further round in the battle for the skies yesterday as both Go and easyJet reported huge increases in passenger numbers.
Go, formerly part of British Airways, carried almost 360,000 passengers in November - a massive 63 per cent rise on 2000.
Its larger rival easyJet posted a 39 per cent rise in passenger traffic on last year’s figures, carrying more than 690,000 passengers across its routes.
Earlier this week British Airways announced its tenth successive month of spiralling passenger numbers.
A spokesman for easyJet said: "We’re still looking to increase our market share further so BA had better start looking over its shoulder."
Go added: "We are always looking to expand our routes and will definitely see continued expansion."
Both easyJet and Go, along with Irish carrier Ryanair, have offered discounted fares since 11 September in order to keep people flying.
BA, which saw November traffic plunge 17.8 per cent against last year, has run several promotions but generally kept ticket prices around their usual value.
The budget carriers are now looking to capitalise on their current strength and swoop in for flight slots left vacant by Europe’s ailing traditional airlines.
The easyJet spokesman said: "There are so many good opportunities in the market at the moment. Brussels is the political capital of Europe, but since Sabena collapsed, the airport has been virtually empty. Somebody has to fly there."
He refused to rule out further expansion on its Scottish routes, suggesting a service to Brussels could be particularly successful. He added that easyJet was keen to take on slots left vacant by Swiss flag carrier Swiss Air, particularly at Zurich.
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Guv,
If you shop around, you can get some pretty reasonble deals with BA. Also, chances are if your BA flight goes tech, there'll be another flight/aeroplane available in reasonably short order. That's one reason why they charge a 'bit' more for full fare.
If you shop around, you can get some pretty reasonble deals with BA. Also, chances are if your BA flight goes tech, there'll be another flight/aeroplane available in reasonably short order. That's one reason why they charge a 'bit' more for full fare.
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Got to agree with Human Factor; if your BA aircraft catches a cold at LHR, a bit of switching occurs but its a bit tricky down the line.
My personal take on this is Easyjet is for punters who want to slum it and BA is for the City boyz and other business guys and girls who want the quickest and nearest airport out of London and the surrounding counties to Europe and the USA etc. BA wins hands down with its route network and frequency. Of course, theres punters like me who aren't going to drive all the way from sunny south London, Surrey border to Luton or Stansted for the sake of a few quid; I ain't that tight or hard-up!
My personal take on this is Easyjet is for punters who want to slum it and BA is for the City boyz and other business guys and girls who want the quickest and nearest airport out of London and the surrounding counties to Europe and the USA etc. BA wins hands down with its route network and frequency. Of course, theres punters like me who aren't going to drive all the way from sunny south London, Surrey border to Luton or Stansted for the sake of a few quid; I ain't that tight or hard-up!