UK and French flights 'targets' [again] - BBC and CNN (merged)
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It allegedly has to do with UN resolution 51/223
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/51/a51r223.htm
BTW just read through some other posts on this thread and came across 'bailey's.
Hats off mate!
And you're a real American?
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/51/a51r223.htm
BTW just read through some other posts on this thread and came across 'bailey's.
Hats off mate!
And you're a real American?
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Intelligence?
I think it's time to find another word to designate the "thing" which is supposed to learn about nuisance's bad projects and make decisions to stop them.
This kind of work supposes the use of clever individuals, working independantly from the politician lobby, in a carefully designed organisation where they can use their brain to select what is true and what is'nt in the mass of computerised reports they receive every minute, reports initiated by wise researchers infiltrated on the nuisance's side.
To day it's clear that:
There is to much garbage introduced in the computers.
Not enough brain.
Wisdom deserted.
So, may I suggest "Credulity Ingestion Agency", in collaboration with "Fed up By Illegals"....
This kind of work supposes the use of clever individuals, working independantly from the politician lobby, in a carefully designed organisation where they can use their brain to select what is true and what is'nt in the mass of computerised reports they receive every minute, reports initiated by wise researchers infiltrated on the nuisance's side.
To day it's clear that:
There is to much garbage introduced in the computers.
Not enough brain.
Wisdom deserted.
So, may I suggest "Credulity Ingestion Agency", in collaboration with "Fed up By Illegals"....
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Call me crazy, but isn't a tipoff to a particular flight, on a particular day, an excellent way to lay in wait for a terrorist and ambush him? Surely they could look down the reservation list and identify 10 or so potential offenders, pull them into a side room by the gate and do a quick interrogation....
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U.S.-Based Carrier Cancellation
Continental flight 17, from Glasgow to Los Angeles via Newark:
Continental cancels flight over security fears
Continental cancels flight over security fears
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>>I think the airlines have never been safer<<
What a crock of doo-doo. You on drugs you moron?
The US officials dont worry about domestic flights. They worry about the idiotic international flights that come into the US. Thats is where the security gap is bacause these other pussy countries like France, (and other European carriers) have'nt a clue as to what security is.
Thanks be to God that the democrats are not in power...........
What a crock of doo-doo. You on drugs you moron?
The US officials dont worry about domestic flights. They worry about the idiotic international flights that come into the US. Thats is where the security gap is bacause these other pussy countries like France, (and other European carriers) have'nt a clue as to what security is.
Thanks be to God that the democrats are not in power...........
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Um.. Papajohn, while Iowa may seem to be big and somewhat round (save for the flat bits at the top and bottom), the planet is round as well, but much, much larger.
If you have ever left that state or the country, you would realize that the US has always lagged behind in airport security compared to most of the Earth until we received our wake-up call two years ago. It is the very attitude and ignorance that you display that kept us the weakest link in the chain for so long. You'll notice that it wasn't those 'idiotic international flights', but the domestic flights that, 'The US officials dont <sic> worry about' that placed us where we are now.
If you have ever left that state or the country, you would realize that the US has always lagged behind in airport security compared to most of the Earth until we received our wake-up call two years ago. It is the very attitude and ignorance that you display that kept us the weakest link in the chain for so long. You'll notice that it wasn't those 'idiotic international flights', but the domestic flights that, 'The US officials dont <sic> worry about' that placed us where we are now.
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Papajohn - In Europe nobody has ever hijacked a commercial airliner and driven it into a skyscraper - perhaps because, for years, we've been screening all pax and bags ( even on domestic flights ) - but wherein this has certainly happened to three domestic flights in the USA; so, QED old son !
Now I don't know too much about the political parties in the USA but, suffice to say, when Bill Clinton ( Democrat? ) was in charge would I be correct in saying that the federal government had a budget surplus - which is not quite the case now, is it ? - and also the world seemed ( was ) a much safer place - jeez, Bill even found the time and the presence of mind to get a blowjob in the Whitehouse...... and that alone would get my vote - give that man a cigar !
Ps. Might I suggest that you procure yourself a dictionary - and do try to get out more, there's a great big world out there beyond the USA you know.
Now I don't know too much about the political parties in the USA but, suffice to say, when Bill Clinton ( Democrat? ) was in charge would I be correct in saying that the federal government had a budget surplus - which is not quite the case now, is it ? - and also the world seemed ( was ) a much safer place - jeez, Bill even found the time and the presence of mind to get a blowjob in the Whitehouse...... and that alone would get my vote - give that man a cigar !
Ps. Might I suggest that you procure yourself a dictionary - and do try to get out more, there's a great big world out there beyond the USA you know.
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They worry about the idiotic international flights that come into the US. Thats is where the security gap is bacause these other pussy countries like France, (and other European carriers) have'nt a clue as to what security is.
Must be so relaxing to live life in such blissful ignorance.
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Seems to me that most are missing the point here. The fact is that the terrorists are winning by default. They have to do very little in fact to cause an awful lot of confusion, disruption and distress to an awful lot of already nervous and edgey people. By making very small but highly significant threats (and thats all they need to be) without ever having to actually hijack or attack another aircraft/airport ever again, they can massively disrupt normal everyday life. They have achieved there aim.. They are still grabbing the headlines, whilst thankfully not inflicting death or injury, but still ensuring there cause is promolgated far and wide.
A good example of this is the WMD situation, it would appear that there were claims from both sides that WMD's were present in or available to Iraq, have they or will they ever be found? Whatever, the damage has been done, we went to war in any event.
I am afraid that I do not know what the answer is but I feel sure that as much headline grabbing and confusion is caused by the potential threat and our reaction to it as there would be if an actual terrosist activity took place.
A good example of this is the WMD situation, it would appear that there were claims from both sides that WMD's were present in or available to Iraq, have they or will they ever be found? Whatever, the damage has been done, we went to war in any event.
I am afraid that I do not know what the answer is but I feel sure that as much headline grabbing and confusion is caused by the potential threat and our reaction to it as there would be if an actual terrosist activity took place.
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Papajohn,
just remind me for a minute, were the terrorist attacks of 911 done using Foreign airlines on International flights, or US airlines on Domestic Flights?
As for the Democrats, remind me please, was it Bill Clinton or George Dubbya that tried to get US airlines to increase the security level on Domestic flights to that of International flights, but was bucked by the airline chiefs who regarded it as being too expensive and unnecessary?
Get yourself a passport like the other 12% of Americans that have one and see what goes on elsewhere on the planet.
just remind me for a minute, were the terrorist attacks of 911 done using Foreign airlines on International flights, or US airlines on Domestic Flights?
As for the Democrats, remind me please, was it Bill Clinton or George Dubbya that tried to get US airlines to increase the security level on Domestic flights to that of International flights, but was bucked by the airline chiefs who regarded it as being too expensive and unnecessary?
Get yourself a passport like the other 12% of Americans that have one and see what goes on elsewhere on the planet.
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Hope the intelligence behind these new warnings are better than last December....
"NEW DELHI, JAN. 12. One of the world's most expensive anti-terror investigations has dissolved into farce. Abdul Haye Mohammad Illyas, who United States and French intelligence officials believed could be a top Al-Qaeda operative, has been established to be an unassuming Chennai-based businessman, with no known links to either Islamist terrorism or criminal activity of any other kind.
Mr. Illyas, who has now become internationally famous by his first two names, came to the notice of U.S. intelligence when he failed to show up for an Air France Paris-Los Angeles flight on December 24, 2003. Since his first two names matched those of an Al-Qaeda operative U.S. intelligence has been searching for since 2002, Maulvi Abdul Hai, Mr. Illyas' name was picked up by Central Intelligence Agency computers which scan airline passenger manifests. "
http://www.hindu.com/2004/01/13/stor...1306731100.htm
"NEW DELHI, JAN. 12. One of the world's most expensive anti-terror investigations has dissolved into farce. Abdul Haye Mohammad Illyas, who United States and French intelligence officials believed could be a top Al-Qaeda operative, has been established to be an unassuming Chennai-based businessman, with no known links to either Islamist terrorism or criminal activity of any other kind.
Mr. Illyas, who has now become internationally famous by his first two names, came to the notice of U.S. intelligence when he failed to show up for an Air France Paris-Los Angeles flight on December 24, 2003. Since his first two names matched those of an Al-Qaeda operative U.S. intelligence has been searching for since 2002, Maulvi Abdul Hai, Mr. Illyas' name was picked up by Central Intelligence Agency computers which scan airline passenger manifests. "
http://www.hindu.com/2004/01/13/stor...1306731100.htm
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MACH BUFFET, you can be sure that when hollywood comes to tell the story of 9-11 it will be foreign airlines that were involved, Saddam Hussein planned it, and hundreds of nuclear weapons were found in bagdhad. The world welcomed their 'leadership' in dealing with this immenent threat just as they welcomed being treated like a criminal everytime they enter the country. I used to holiday regularly in the U.S.A but I won't be going back except for work. I refuse to be treated like that.
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Initref::
and the poor innocent OAP from Bristol arrested and detained in S.Africa after FBI falsely identified him as top mafia man....took three weeks to get him out.
After issue of a passport all US citizens should pass an exam in World History before being let loose.
Sooner we insist on visa, photos, fingerprints for all US visiters to UK the better.
and the poor innocent OAP from Bristol arrested and detained in S.Africa after FBI falsely identified him as top mafia man....took three weeks to get him out.
After issue of a passport all US citizens should pass an exam in World History before being let loose.
Sooner we insist on visa, photos, fingerprints for all US visiters to UK the better.
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>>You'll notice that it wasn't those 'idiotic international flights', but the domestic flights that, 'The US officials dont <sic> worry about' that placed us where we are now.<<
YOU CAN THANK BILL CLINTON FOR THAT. AS WELL AS MANY OTHER THINGS.........
>>Ps. Might I suggest that you procure yourself a dictionary - and do try to get out more, there's a great big world out there beyond the USA you know.<<
LITTLE BUDDY, HAVING BEEN ASSIGNED TO INTERNATIONAL STATUS FOR THE LAST 10 1/2 YEARS, I'VE BEEN ABROAD. MOSTLY IN YOUR GOD FORSAKEN COUNTRY WHERE I'VE SEEN THE PATHETIC ATTEMPT AT WHAT YOU REFER TO AS SECURITY.
>>As for the Democrats, remind me please, was it Bill Clinton or George Dubbya that tried to get US airlines to increase the security level on Domestic flights to that of International flights, but was bucked by the airline chiefs who regarded it as being too expensive and unnecessary?<<
UMM, WELL IT WAS'NT BILL. HE WAS TO BUSY HOLDING OUR BORDER DOORS WIDE OPEN FOR THE ILLEGALS TO RUN IN. YOU KNOW, THE SAME ONES AL RELIED ON TO SELL CIGERETTES FOR VOTES?
"He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it."
YOU CAN THANK BILL CLINTON FOR THAT. AS WELL AS MANY OTHER THINGS.........
>>Ps. Might I suggest that you procure yourself a dictionary - and do try to get out more, there's a great big world out there beyond the USA you know.<<
LITTLE BUDDY, HAVING BEEN ASSIGNED TO INTERNATIONAL STATUS FOR THE LAST 10 1/2 YEARS, I'VE BEEN ABROAD. MOSTLY IN YOUR GOD FORSAKEN COUNTRY WHERE I'VE SEEN THE PATHETIC ATTEMPT AT WHAT YOU REFER TO AS SECURITY.
>>As for the Democrats, remind me please, was it Bill Clinton or George Dubbya that tried to get US airlines to increase the security level on Domestic flights to that of International flights, but was bucked by the airline chiefs who regarded it as being too expensive and unnecessary?<<
UMM, WELL IT WAS'NT BILL. HE WAS TO BUSY HOLDING OUR BORDER DOORS WIDE OPEN FOR THE ILLEGALS TO RUN IN. YOU KNOW, THE SAME ONES AL RELIED ON TO SELL CIGERETTES FOR VOTES?
"He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it."
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Papajohn,
I'm sorry but there is no way you can compare British and American aviation security; American aviation security is still not up to the standards of British and even Europe's aviation security standards as a whole.
I regularly fly between LHR and the states, and I feel much more comfortable flying LHR-USA than the other way round, as I know that LHR's security as a whole is of a very high standard, and the security in the US still leaves a lot to be desired.
Britain has been dealing with terrorism for a much longer period of time than the states, most notably with the IRA, and is therefore much more experienced when it comes down to dealing with the threat of terror and the security that is needed to combat the threat.
It was America's lapse of security that allowed 9-11 to happen, and it will be America's lapse if this happens again. If a 9-11 style attack happens again, I have complete confidence that it will not be because of a lapse of British security. Remember, Britain does have the best intelligence and security services in the world.
Ben
I'm sorry but there is no way you can compare British and American aviation security; American aviation security is still not up to the standards of British and even Europe's aviation security standards as a whole.
I regularly fly between LHR and the states, and I feel much more comfortable flying LHR-USA than the other way round, as I know that LHR's security as a whole is of a very high standard, and the security in the US still leaves a lot to be desired.
Britain has been dealing with terrorism for a much longer period of time than the states, most notably with the IRA, and is therefore much more experienced when it comes down to dealing with the threat of terror and the security that is needed to combat the threat.
It was America's lapse of security that allowed 9-11 to happen, and it will be America's lapse if this happens again. If a 9-11 style attack happens again, I have complete confidence that it will not be because of a lapse of British security. Remember, Britain does have the best intelligence and security services in the world.
Ben
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I just don't get it. Canceling flights outright and that's all?
There's a CIA computer scanning passenger manifests and I imagine MI5 is doing the same. Are they identifying suspects? If they are, why aren't they apprehending them or at least denying them boarding? Up the flights security - do secondary or tertiary checking at the gate. Or are they not able to identify possible suspects? Hard to believe in this day and age. Do they think the baggage screening done still leaves a danger? How about closing the flight 48 hours in advance to give enough time for through checking? Most folks who book internationally don't do so at the last minute. Just canceling seems to be a blunt force reaction without any positive results - other than ensuring that particular aircraft and a few hundred pax are not in the air on a given day.
There's a CIA computer scanning passenger manifests and I imagine MI5 is doing the same. Are they identifying suspects? If they are, why aren't they apprehending them or at least denying them boarding? Up the flights security - do secondary or tertiary checking at the gate. Or are they not able to identify possible suspects? Hard to believe in this day and age. Do they think the baggage screening done still leaves a danger? How about closing the flight 48 hours in advance to give enough time for through checking? Most folks who book internationally don't do so at the last minute. Just canceling seems to be a blunt force reaction without any positive results - other than ensuring that particular aircraft and a few hundred pax are not in the air on a given day.