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In the US "over reaction" goes with a smoking hole in a major city by a goup of guys who live in caves.
Where do you draw the line? I don't know, you can kill someone with a credit card.
Where do you draw the line? I don't know, you can kill someone with a credit card.
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>>there is news that another list is on the way for some more to say good bye USA
Well, there have been similar lists for years of U.S. pilots who could not operate to some Muslim countries because they also considered themselves citizens of Israel.
And I've flown with Pakistani crew who could not operate into India and vice versa.
Whatever the legitimacy of the lists, they are a reality in international aviation.
>>In the US "over reaction" goes with a smoking hole in a major city by a goup of guys who live in caves.
I couldn't have said that lest it be deemed too pro-America, but I'm glad you did <g>...
Well, there have been similar lists for years of U.S. pilots who could not operate to some Muslim countries because they also considered themselves citizens of Israel.
And I've flown with Pakistani crew who could not operate into India and vice versa.
Whatever the legitimacy of the lists, they are a reality in international aviation.
>>In the US "over reaction" goes with a smoking hole in a major city by a goup of guys who live in caves.
I couldn't have said that lest it be deemed too pro-America, but I'm glad you did <g>...
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I assume most of us are professional pilots on this thread. Do you not do everything in your power to assure a safe trip for your pax? I know I do, and a lot of times I waste time and fuel going around a thunderstorm that I find threatening. Someone with more experience may go alot closer to it than I am willing to do. But that comes with experience.
We are new at having our people attacked on our own soil. We did not like it and we do not want to see it happen again.
Give us a break while we work through this new situation. And just for drill, pretend you are in charge of safety of the citizens of the U.S. What would you do differently? Keep in mind everything you do will be scrutinized and questioned by someone. And if you screw up you will have to live with the consequences.
I know that I do not envy President Bush at this point. I would not sleep very well at night unless I took EVERY precaution to protect my country. And I would be pis..d off at all the people that could not understand what I am trying to do.
How about a little help instead of just kicking the giant when he is down? Eventually the giant will get back on his feet, and we will remeber who our friends are.
For the record, I am a citizen of Norway who lives in the US. I have been here for quite some time, and you will have a hard time finding a nicer, harder working people anywhere than the locals around here. We got the fringe groups that are vocal and think they are important, but your average American Jane or Joe are people who just want their kids to be happy, just like anyone else in the world.
There, I wore out my soap-box, and I will try not to get back on it for a while.
We are new at having our people attacked on our own soil. We did not like it and we do not want to see it happen again.
Give us a break while we work through this new situation. And just for drill, pretend you are in charge of safety of the citizens of the U.S. What would you do differently? Keep in mind everything you do will be scrutinized and questioned by someone. And if you screw up you will have to live with the consequences.
I know that I do not envy President Bush at this point. I would not sleep very well at night unless I took EVERY precaution to protect my country. And I would be pis..d off at all the people that could not understand what I am trying to do.
How about a little help instead of just kicking the giant when he is down? Eventually the giant will get back on his feet, and we will remeber who our friends are.
For the record, I am a citizen of Norway who lives in the US. I have been here for quite some time, and you will have a hard time finding a nicer, harder working people anywhere than the locals around here. We got the fringe groups that are vocal and think they are important, but your average American Jane or Joe are people who just want their kids to be happy, just like anyone else in the world.
There, I wore out my soap-box, and I will try not to get back on it for a while.
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Stamp in the passport
When I arrive at London -- Heathrow or Gatwick -- the polite immigration official stamps my American passport saying that that I can stay 90 days in the UK, but I'm not allowed to have a gainful job there. I'm completely satisfied, because I'm not going to take some other illegal immigrant's fish and chips jobe away from him or her.
On the other hand, plenty of these people that have been given the 90-day visas in the UK dissapear and are later found to be working in ethnic restaurants, girls galore, etc.
How to stop this? I am firmly for fingerprinting and face printing on entry to the UK. I would rather stand in line for that extra 30 minutes while they take my smudgy prints and my disheviled face.
On the other hand, plenty of these people that have been given the 90-day visas in the UK dissapear and are later found to be working in ethnic restaurants, girls galore, etc.
How to stop this? I am firmly for fingerprinting and face printing on entry to the UK. I would rather stand in line for that extra 30 minutes while they take my smudgy prints and my disheviled face.
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We have had pilots here that were ex-military who couldn't get a visa to the US just because they were suspected of involvement in a past coup d'etat against the government. So the company just makes them fly regional or domestic routes. Regarding the fingerprinting? Let's just wait a few more months, then they'll come up with another hare-brained scheme that would surely complicate everything ( like making passengers sign pledges and contracts that they will not bomb or be near a secured area or things like that or else..)
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Danny is right....
I can't figure out why some of you waste your time getting all worked up because the officials of SOME country deny entry to pilots or passengers of another country.
Could it be true that the US (or any other country) would have a reason for notifying airline XXX that pilots X, Y, and Z are not going to be accepted as legitimate crew members in the receiving country? Isn't it possible or logical that the government of any country may have very valid reasons for this action. And even if you don't think so, your opinion is meaningless. Stronger letter to follow!!!
I can't figure out why some of you waste your time getting all worked up because the officials of SOME country deny entry to pilots or passengers of another country.
Could it be true that the US (or any other country) would have a reason for notifying airline XXX that pilots X, Y, and Z are not going to be accepted as legitimate crew members in the receiving country? Isn't it possible or logical that the government of any country may have very valid reasons for this action. And even if you don't think so, your opinion is meaningless. Stronger letter to follow!!!
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We have had pilots here that were ex-military who couldn't get a visa to the US just because they were suspected of involvement in a past coup d'etat against the government.
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Jim Morehead
I find it incredibly easy to understand! There you go. See...? A different opinion to yours. Equally valid, and less offensive. What we're discussing here is an issue that affects us all, and therefore we're all entitled to our opinions on the matter, regardless of how they differ from yours.
Personally, I believe that if these lists do exist, and they are based on evidence more credible than that used to invade Iraq, then they are possibly a good thing. What is really annoying me (and causing me to become very anti-USA and keeping me out of the USA) is the fact that the next time I go there, I shall have to be finger-printed! Again, in my personal opinion, that is a complete and utter violation of my civil rights and I shall not tolerate it from my own country, let alone from anybody else's!
Wind your neck in old man, your arrogance is sticking out! Appears to me that what you need is a little bit more of your surname..? 
Personally, I believe that if these lists do exist, and they are based on evidence more credible than that used to invade Iraq, then they are possibly a good thing. What is really annoying me (and causing me to become very anti-USA and keeping me out of the USA) is the fact that the next time I go there, I shall have to be finger-printed! Again, in my personal opinion, that is a complete and utter violation of my civil rights and I shall not tolerate it from my own country, let alone from anybody else's!
...your opinion is meaningless. Stronger letter to follow!!!
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Ref the original question:
I believe that the list you refer to is the "no fly" list which is circulated to all airlines operating into the US. It is updated daily and the airlines involved scan the names daily to prevent infringements.
It covers both passengers and crew.
Once your name is on it, you are not allowed to travel by air into or out of the US.
The fact that you may not be the "problem" person is immaterial, once that name is on the list, you and anyone else bearing the same name and D.O.B. are prohibitted from flying to or from the USA. (Bad luck John Smiths of the world if there is a terrorist John Smith in your number)
There is no reason given.
Getting off the list, even when you can prove you are not the problem person named, is exceeding difficult.
I believe that the list you refer to is the "no fly" list which is circulated to all airlines operating into the US. It is updated daily and the airlines involved scan the names daily to prevent infringements.
It covers both passengers and crew.
Once your name is on it, you are not allowed to travel by air into or out of the US.
The fact that you may not be the "problem" person is immaterial, once that name is on the list, you and anyone else bearing the same name and D.O.B. are prohibitted from flying to or from the USA. (Bad luck John Smiths of the world if there is a terrorist John Smith in your number)
There is no reason given.
Getting off the list, even when you can prove you are not the problem person named, is exceeding difficult.
quidquid excusatio prandium pro
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I understand how you feel 126.9, perhaps ol’ Jim is wound up just a little tight, seems to me anyways.
In any event, the two most annoying things on this board are flag-waving Yanks, condescending Poms, and a busy server message. Three.
In any event, the two most annoying things on this board are flag-waving Yanks, condescending Poms, and a busy server message. Three.
