Flash Airlines B737 Crash in Egypt
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French find one box
From BBC:
Red Sea crash recorder found
France lent special submarine equipment for the search
One of the black box flight recorders from the plane which crashed into the Red Sea has been recovered.
The French navy was using a robot to bring the data recorder to the surface.
Previous attempts to find the recorders had proved fruitless, with experts saying they could be lying 800 metres (2,600 feet) under the surface.
The recorder will be examined for clues to the crash of the Flash Airlines flight from Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt which killed all 148 people on board.
The plane came down shortly after take-off from the Red Sea resort on 3 January.
Egyptian officials almost immediately ruled out terrorism as a possible cause of the crash.
They said they believed a technical problem or other accident was responsible.
It later emerged that the Flash Airlines plane had failed Swiss safety tests in 2002 but passed French checks the following year.
Among those killed were 134 French tourists, one Moroccan and 13 Egyptian crew members.
The French Government and French firms have been helping to retrieve debris from the crash.
Red Sea crash recorder found
France lent special submarine equipment for the search
One of the black box flight recorders from the plane which crashed into the Red Sea has been recovered.
The French navy was using a robot to bring the data recorder to the surface.
Previous attempts to find the recorders had proved fruitless, with experts saying they could be lying 800 metres (2,600 feet) under the surface.
The recorder will be examined for clues to the crash of the Flash Airlines flight from Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt which killed all 148 people on board.
The plane came down shortly after take-off from the Red Sea resort on 3 January.
Egyptian officials almost immediately ruled out terrorism as a possible cause of the crash.
They said they believed a technical problem or other accident was responsible.
It later emerged that the Flash Airlines plane had failed Swiss safety tests in 2002 but passed French checks the following year.
Among those killed were 134 French tourists, one Moroccan and 13 Egyptian crew members.
The French Government and French firms have been helping to retrieve debris from the crash.
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Not quite yet .
my info is that they have located one of the recorders by 1030m, almost at the limit of the operating Vne of the min-sub but they have difficulties extracting it. They hope to get it by tomorrow.(Saturday)
my info is that they have located one of the recorders by 1030m, almost at the limit of the operating Vne of the min-sub but they have difficulties extracting it. They hope to get it by tomorrow.(Saturday)
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Flight recorder recovered.
Robot finds airliner's black box
Reuters in Sharm el-Sheikh
Saturday January 17, 2004
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The French navy yesterday used a submarine robot to recover a flight recorder from the Egyptian Boeing 737 that crashed in the Red Sea on January 3 killing 148 people.
A navy team had been searching 24 hours a day since Tuesday. The box was found at a depth of more than 1,000 metres (3,000 ft).
Two flight recorders on the Flash Airlines plane could help determine why it plunged into deep sea near the diving resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, killing all on board, who were mostly French tourists and Egyptian crew. Egypt has said the crash was a technical fault and not an explosion.
The first box was emitting a strong signal, but the signal from the second box is weak and it has yet to be located.
France says there is no reason to suspect an attack and it gives little credence to a previously unknown Islamic group's claim to have brought down the plane.
Egypt has defended the safety record of Flash Airlines, but Switzerland said it had banned the Egyptian company from its airspace on safety grounds, although the airline denies the ban was safety related.
Reuters in Sharm el-Sheikh
Saturday January 17, 2004
The Guardian
The French navy yesterday used a submarine robot to recover a flight recorder from the Egyptian Boeing 737 that crashed in the Red Sea on January 3 killing 148 people.
A navy team had been searching 24 hours a day since Tuesday. The box was found at a depth of more than 1,000 metres (3,000 ft).
Two flight recorders on the Flash Airlines plane could help determine why it plunged into deep sea near the diving resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, killing all on board, who were mostly French tourists and Egyptian crew. Egypt has said the crash was a technical fault and not an explosion.
The first box was emitting a strong signal, but the signal from the second box is weak and it has yet to be located.
France says there is no reason to suspect an attack and it gives little credence to a previously unknown Islamic group's claim to have brought down the plane.
Egypt has defended the safety record of Flash Airlines, but Switzerland said it had banned the Egyptian company from its airspace on safety grounds, although the airline denies the ban was safety related.
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Ever puched the wrong rudder-pedal when encoutering an engine failure on the sim? Do it one time and you will see that the plane behaves exactly as the Flash apparantly did.
Just my opinion though...
Just my opinion though...
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First Orange box found and handed-over to Egyptian CAA, the second should be pulled out of water very soon, also to be given to the Egyptian CAA and we will never know what really happen, hopefully the French will make pressure that the evidence will be made public...
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Hello all
The first recovered box was the FDR,from a depth of 1030 m.
The CVR seems to be at a depth of around 400 m and the salvage team seem to be quite confident in bringing it to the surface very soon.
With the usual caution....The recorders are supposed to be decoded in France.Apparently,the Egyptians have agrred with the French.
The first recovered box was the FDR,from a depth of 1030 m.
The CVR seems to be at a depth of around 400 m and the salvage team seem to be quite confident in bringing it to the surface very soon.
With the usual caution....The recorders are supposed to be decoded in France.Apparently,the Egyptians have agrred with the French.
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Given the Egyptian's and the French's less than stellar reputation for finding the truth, is there any other note worthy body that will have full access to all the information.
If they do, will they be allowed to publish said information.
In some respects, I do not really care if it proves to be an mechanical failure or a terrorist act as you wouldn't get me on a charter Egyptian airline for all the tea in China (or the state airline either)
If they do, will they be allowed to publish said information.
In some respects, I do not really care if it proves to be an mechanical failure or a terrorist act as you wouldn't get me on a charter Egyptian airline for all the tea in China (or the state airline either)
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Latest news :The FDR has been handed over to the "laboratories of the Egyptian Ministry of Aviation".
Phew!We narrowly escaped a major anti-French discussion on this thread.
Latest, really latest:
The FDR has been handed over to:
1/Egyptian experts,assisted by:
2/BEA investigators AND
3/NTSB specialists.
WOW!
Phew!We narrowly escaped a major anti-French discussion on this thread.
Latest, really latest:
The FDR has been handed over to:
1/Egyptian experts,assisted by:
2/BEA investigators AND
3/NTSB specialists.
WOW!
is there any other note worthy body that will have full access to all the information.
If they do, will they be allowed to publish said information.
If they do, will they be allowed to publish said information.
Yes they may publish their comments after the parties have fully discussed and reviewed the results.
Controversy, if there, may take months to surface.
Meanwhile expect all sorts of Ministerial leaks. which really should be ignored as political fodder.
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I wonder if we will ever know the true contents of either one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3406197.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3406197.stm
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And with a Euro at nearly 1,30 USD and firm prices quoted in USD a few years ago when the rate was 35 % better, nobody is smiling in EADS today either I guess....
And any crash is bad for business, whether it is an Airbus or a Boeing makes no difference to the travelling public...and less travellers, less orders....
And any crash is bad for business, whether it is an Airbus or a Boeing makes no difference to the travelling public...and less travellers, less orders....
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CAIRO (Reuters) - Flight recorders recovered from an Egyptian airliner which crashed into the Red Sea this month showed that the plane was not attacked, the head of the investigation says.
But the cockpit voice recorder, which contains 30 minutes of conversation, was noisy and it was not clear from the initial analysis what went wrong with the Boeing 737, which was carrying 148 people including 133 French tourists. All were killed.
"The first thing we looked at was there any possibility of any explosion and we have a total negative possibility and that's why we can say, we can definitely confirm, there is no terrorist act," investigator Shaker Qilada told Reuters on Tuesday.
"What I can tell you is that we don't have an indication from the voice recorder of any defect yet," he added.
Qilada told a news conference that the crash was definitely the result of "a technical fault", a term which he said could include mechanical problems and pilot error.
"So this is what I call a classic accident. It is not an accident out of the normal. We will investigate the machine and the human being," he added.
But the cockpit voice recorder, which contains 30 minutes of conversation, was noisy and it was not clear from the initial analysis what went wrong with the Boeing 737, which was carrying 148 people including 133 French tourists. All were killed.
"The first thing we looked at was there any possibility of any explosion and we have a total negative possibility and that's why we can say, we can definitely confirm, there is no terrorist act," investigator Shaker Qilada told Reuters on Tuesday.
"What I can tell you is that we don't have an indication from the voice recorder of any defect yet," he added.
Qilada told a news conference that the crash was definitely the result of "a technical fault", a term which he said could include mechanical problems and pilot error.
"So this is what I call a classic accident. It is not an accident out of the normal. We will investigate the machine and the human being," he added.
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Pilot error is being blamed for the crash of a Flash Airlines 737 in Egypt Jan. 3. Officials originally blamed a technical problem with the plane but changed their opinion after reviewing the flight data recorder. All 148 people aboard died when the plane crashed into the Red Sea shortly after takeoff from a resort...