Air Force One Surprise Visit to Baghdad
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Yeah...I DO think he flew in to thank the troops for both their sacrifice and service to their country!
Might be an unpopular notion these days (unfortunately) but these men and women are laying their lifes on the line every day and I think its GREAT that President Bush went to thank them personally and wish them a Happy Thanksgiving. Atta Boy George!!
Yeah...I DO think he flew in to thank the troops for both their sacrifice and service to their country!
Might be an unpopular notion these days (unfortunately) but these men and women are laying their lifes on the line every day and I think its GREAT that President Bush went to thank them personally and wish them a Happy Thanksgiving. Atta Boy George!!
Hello DocM: With all due respect for others' opinions, this is a question about whether people under dictatorships (do Syria's, Libya's and even Singapore's regime fit this definition?) are able to choose their own future. I am certainly not a very smart guy. But as for Iraq, despite my own mixed feelings about the invasion, how were the Iraqi people planning (if able to vote for other candidates...) to choose their own future under Saddam Hussein, i.e. "Bush.....while taking away other countries' right to choose their own path"? Did those 100,000 plus Iraqi/Kurdish men, women and children who died under Saddam's regime mistakenly walk in front of the soldiers' guns during routine target practice? Did his planes many years ago not drop poisonous gas on Kurdish villages?
It is not clear to me whether former President Clinton actually wanted a coup d' etat in Iraq. A former CIA field agent claimed on a US news show that during Clinton's time in office, he had helped trained many Kurdish forces for a major rebellion, and was waiting for the White House to give the ok, then airdrop etc many weapons. For some reason, Clinton got cold feet about the option.
As for what sort of multiple defensive measures were used by whichever Air Force One plane was flown in and out of that airspace, this is also interesting.
It is not clear to me whether former President Clinton actually wanted a coup d' etat in Iraq. A former CIA field agent claimed on a US news show that during Clinton's time in office, he had helped trained many Kurdish forces for a major rebellion, and was waiting for the White House to give the ok, then airdrop etc many weapons. For some reason, Clinton got cold feet about the option.
As for what sort of multiple defensive measures were used by whichever Air Force One plane was flown in and out of that airspace, this is also interesting.
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Question - if he wasn't up for re-election, would he have gone?
IMHO, I think not. Great morale boost for the troops no doubt about that, but sincerity? The guy doesn't know the meaning of the word (or how to spell it probably).
IMHO, I think not. Great morale boost for the troops no doubt about that, but sincerity? The guy doesn't know the meaning of the word (or how to spell it probably).
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Heard Hillary Clinton was scheduled to visit Bagdad the next day. So GB couldn't really stay behind in light of the election, public opinion etc. But good to see GB giving the troops a bit of moral support and acting like a real commander and chief.
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Won't get fooled again
I think the picture posted by Grant T is just Bush getting his revenge for the event pictured here:-
Gotta love the expression on his face...
Gotta love the expression on his face...
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Bob,
it seems to me that, in a way, Techman answered your question. If all sources are reliable, GWB admitted he would have never made this very short trip (just a couple of hours) if in the end there had been no political/personnal benefits for him (and therefore his administration). I'm not sure he really meant to say that (or anything else), but it spoils his entire "Desert Turkey" operation with a tenacious after-taste of manipulation... But were used to it now, aren't we ?
it seems to me that, in a way, Techman answered your question. If all sources are reliable, GWB admitted he would have never made this very short trip (just a couple of hours) if in the end there had been no political/personnal benefits for him (and therefore his administration). I'm not sure he really meant to say that (or anything else), but it spoils his entire "Desert Turkey" operation with a tenacious after-taste of manipulation... But were used to it now, aren't we ?
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DocManhatten,
I totally agree with your post. An exellent move by GWB but it makes not the slightest bit of difference to me, and nor should it to anybody else who seriously values democracy.
I totally agree with your post. An exellent move by GWB but it makes not the slightest bit of difference to me, and nor should it to anybody else who seriously values democracy.
The only gatherings you see GWB in are with the troops or Republican fundraisers.
With the single exception of Tony's local, GWB does not do walkabouts among hoi polloi.
As for bravery, landing in Baghdad without lights in an a/c with the world's top ECM and anti-missile suite ain't all that daunting -- there may have more troops on approach/departure path patrol than at din-din
With the single exception of Tony's local, GWB does not do walkabouts among hoi polloi.
As for bravery, landing in Baghdad without lights in an a/c with the world's top ECM and anti-missile suite ain't all that daunting -- there may have more troops on approach/departure path patrol than at din-din
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Ballsy move. I am impressed.
The world's most powerful military spending millions flying one man into Baghdad and out again four hours later in the face of a disorganised rag-tag of fighters is hardly very impressive.
You Americans seem very easily impressed.
And those of you who believe this was done out of the goodness of Bush's heart with no thoughts of next years election.....
your naivety is very touching!
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Brave Bush does Bagdhad
Maybe y'all shoud go to your local Blockbuster and rent a good Hollywood product, even Dustin Hoffman is great in it:
Wag the Dog
Hopefully something will dawn on you about this guy!
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Wag the Dog
Hopefully something will dawn on you about this guy!
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Some historic words on HF to mark the occasion...
AF1 - Mode control, both manual. Descent engine command override, off. Engine arm, off. Lights, off.
AF1 - AF1 is in
DUKE - We copy you down, AF1
AF1 - Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Turkey has landed.
DUKE - Roger, Tranquility. We copy you on the ground. You got a bunch of spin doctors, Big Business rep's and republicans about to turn blue. We're breathing again. Thanks a lot.
"Wag the Dog" is definitely a much better choice than the usual football match on TV for Thanksgiving. Happy holiday to all concerned.
AF1 - Mode control, both manual. Descent engine command override, off. Engine arm, off. Lights, off.
AF1 - AF1 is in
DUKE - We copy you down, AF1
AF1 - Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Turkey has landed.
DUKE - Roger, Tranquility. We copy you on the ground. You got a bunch of spin doctors, Big Business rep's and republicans about to turn blue. We're breathing again. Thanks a lot.
"Wag the Dog" is definitely a much better choice than the usual football match on TV for Thanksgiving. Happy holiday to all concerned.
