Seven easyJet pilots sue the Company
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I'm inclined to agree with you. Lots of contributory evidence around at the time to suggest that these promises were probably made, even verbally, as well as the subsequent 'golden hellos' that were even advertisied widely, later on.
The airline have to be seen to resist such claims, even if they knowingly accept they will probably loose a case. Their insurers, assuming they will be supported, will actualy demand that they deny liability, until sanctioned otherwise by a court. Bit like some of the motor insurers! Except, in this case, I doubt they have backing of any insurers, but more likely are working on advice given by their legal advisers.
I imagine that a court would also view the fact that 'more than a few' were prepared to risk their careers by taking their employer to court in an action that, successful or otherwise, will most certainly halt their career with that employer! 'Oops, sorry, that NDB approach was outside limits; result, you failed.'
Interesting times. For those involved, you know the truth and if you are banking on justice based on truth, hopefully you will be rewarded what is rightfully yours. In which case, good luck and keep your resolve.
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I'm inclined to agree with you. Lots of contributory evidence around at the time to suggest that these promises were probably made, even verbally, as well as the subsequent 'golden hellos' that were even advertisied widely, later on.
The airline have to be seen to resist such claims, even if they knowingly accept they will probably loose a case. Their insurers, assuming they will be supported, will actualy demand that they deny liability, until sanctioned otherwise by a court. Bit like some of the motor insurers! Except, in this case, I doubt they have backing of any insurers, but more likely are working on advice given by their legal advisers.
I imagine that a court would also view the fact that 'more than a few' were prepared to risk their careers by taking their employer to court in an action that, successful or otherwise, will most certainly halt their career with that employer! 'Oops, sorry, that NDB approach was outside limits; result, you failed.'
Interesting times. For those involved, you know the truth and if you are banking on justice based on truth, hopefully you will be rewarded what is rightfully yours. In which case, good luck and keep your resolve.
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If the whole truth were known, this is not the first or only case of the ex- (I believe) chief pilot having made false promises at interview. Pilots, many years ago, did join ej on the promise of XYZ only to find out later the emptiness of those words. They later regreted the day they trusted such falsehoods.
I cherish the day when the 'old fashioned' value of a "man's word is his bond" or "shake on it" might return in avaition.
Good luck to anyone who has the guts to stand up for their dignity, and not succumb to the attiitude of many on this forum who believe their right in life is to be down-trodden because they follow a vocation.
It is about time the employer was grateful for finding the quality pilot, rather than the pilot being grateful for simply finding a job.
I am deeply disappointed by the repeated servantile utterances of many in repsonse to such matters. This is not to profess any arogance or egotism. Quite the opposite. It is simple professionalism, which you will find in many other spheres.
Without self pride and dignity you are lost souls.
And please don't respond with any clap-trap about market forces etc.
Good luck to all in this case and in the future.
I cherish the day when the 'old fashioned' value of a "man's word is his bond" or "shake on it" might return in avaition.
Good luck to anyone who has the guts to stand up for their dignity, and not succumb to the attiitude of many on this forum who believe their right in life is to be down-trodden because they follow a vocation.
It is about time the employer was grateful for finding the quality pilot, rather than the pilot being grateful for simply finding a job.
I am deeply disappointed by the repeated servantile utterances of many in repsonse to such matters. This is not to profess any arogance or egotism. Quite the opposite. It is simple professionalism, which you will find in many other spheres.
Without self pride and dignity you are lost souls.
And please don't respond with any clap-trap about market forces etc.
Good luck to all in this case and in the future.
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Rat 5, well said. The company I presently provide my Pilot skills to, to enable them to make large profits, treat myself and my collegues with contempt, yet on another thread many people seem to say this is fine as I should be thankfull for having a job! Very strange logic that one! I echo your sentiments...
black dog, verbal agreements are legally binding in this country providing they can be independently verified.
black dog, verbal agreements are legally binding in this country providing they can be independently verified.
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It is much more likely the 7 individuals concerned have considered the case more throughly, than the management of Easyjet.
My money it on the pilots to win, or the company to settle out of court.
Shares are sold as part of the renumeration package , which is the only reason we turn up for work.
My money it on the pilots to win, or the company to settle out of court.
Shares are sold as part of the renumeration package , which is the only reason we turn up for work.
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"risk their careers by taking their employer to court in an action that, successful or otherwise, will most certainly halt their career with that employer! 'Oops, sorry, that NDB approach was outside limits; result, you failed."
The training team at easyJet is above this sort of thing and each and every trainer is far too professional to bend to any such managerial pressure. And I don't believe there would be any pressure anyway.
Wash your mouth out!
"risk their careers by taking their employer to court in an action that, successful or otherwise, will most certainly halt their career with that employer! 'Oops, sorry, that NDB approach was outside limits; result, you failed."
The training team at easyJet is above this sort of thing and each and every trainer is far too professional to bend to any such managerial pressure. And I don't believe there would be any pressure anyway.
Wash your mouth out!
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Having some orange experience ( nothing that a good counsellor can't resolve I hope) I disagree with fly-by-night.
I don't think Easyjet would go out of there way to screw any of these 7 in the Sim but if anything they ever did was marginal or open to question, they'd probably be given no 'benefit of doubt'.
My experience of Easyjet as a Company is that the hyped up culture is just so much b*llsh*t and the organisation is a 'bully' and if they don't like you they'll make your life difficult.
I wish the seven well
I don't think Easyjet would go out of there way to screw any of these 7 in the Sim but if anything they ever did was marginal or open to question, they'd probably be given no 'benefit of doubt'.
My experience of Easyjet as a Company is that the hyped up culture is just so much b*llsh*t and the organisation is a 'bully' and if they don't like you they'll make your life difficult.
I wish the seven well
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cosmijewel has the right idea: 'My experience of Easyjet as a Company is that the hyped up culture is just so much b*llsh*t and the organisation is a 'bully' and if they don't like you they'll make your life difficult'.
This isn't the half of it, sorry to say.
Moreover, the legal action under discusison here is not the only one casting shadows over the temporary buildings at LTN - and the next one (which will almost undoubtedly settle out of court) will make any payout here look like pocket money.
No surprise that so soon after the (long-awaited and predicted) departure of one 'senior' individual, major failings in performance seem to be coming to light. Just the flood-gates opening, perhaps?
This isn't the half of it, sorry to say.
Moreover, the legal action under discusison here is not the only one casting shadows over the temporary buildings at LTN - and the next one (which will almost undoubtedly settle out of court) will make any payout here look like pocket money.
No surprise that so soon after the (long-awaited and predicted) departure of one 'senior' individual, major failings in performance seem to be coming to light. Just the flood-gates opening, perhaps?
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It's good to remember that a criminal trial works on a burden of proof known as "beyond reasonable doubt", whereas civil courts apply "on the balance of probability."
Whilst not wishing to predict what might happen in this case, there is a significant difference in the evidence standards and the judge's interpretation of it.
It's good to remember that a criminal trial works on a burden of proof known as "beyond reasonable doubt", whereas civil courts apply "on the balance of probability."
Whilst not wishing to predict what might happen in this case, there is a significant difference in the evidence standards and the judge's interpretation of it.
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I didn't say payment had already been made.
An agreement was reached for an out of court settlement.
If that isn't the case, some of the guys involved have the wrong end of the stick!
An agreement was reached for an out of court settlement.
If that isn't the case, some of the guys involved have the wrong end of the stick!
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Your statement......The matter was concluded some time ago....
Collins English Thesaurus,... Conclude....Bring down the curtain, cease, close, come to an end, finish, round off, terminate, wind up.
As EJ has not yet made good on its offer of settlement, which was made some two weeks ago, and the Balpa legal department have been unable bring the matter to an end, after 3 and half years on it, with most of the leg work being done by some of the individuals involved, it would be fair to say that the definition set out has not been met.
Again I would suggest that you refrain from making apparently definitive statements about issues of which you know nothing.
Your statement......The matter was concluded some time ago....
Collins English Thesaurus,... Conclude....Bring down the curtain, cease, close, come to an end, finish, round off, terminate, wind up.
As EJ has not yet made good on its offer of settlement, which was made some two weeks ago, and the Balpa legal department have been unable bring the matter to an end, after 3 and half years on it, with most of the leg work being done by some of the individuals involved, it would be fair to say that the definition set out has not been met.
Again I would suggest that you refrain from making apparently definitive statements about issues of which you know nothing.
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A little legal input: an oral offer made by someone in a position that one would believe has authority to make an offer is as valid and binding as a written offer in English law - the only problem is that in the absence of anything in writing it can be difficult to prove.
Nevertheless if the judge concludes from the oral evidence of the witnesses that the offer was made and is sufficiently certain to be given legal effect it will be.
So if you are in a position to make offers be careful what you say - and if receiving them make sure you have a witness!
Nevertheless if the judge concludes from the oral evidence of the witnesses that the offer was made and is sufficiently certain to be given legal effect it will be.
So if you are in a position to make offers be careful what you say - and if receiving them make sure you have a witness!
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How can you recieve a pay out when the share price is nearly £0.20 below what the options are worth . In some ways you are no better off this week than if you had recieved nothing anyway!
Joking aside I'm glad you guys will finaly be in receipt of what you were told you would get at interview.
It was a real bost to get the last options at over £3, its such golden handcuff. One I imagine the company will not have pay out on for many years.
Joking aside I'm glad you guys will finaly be in receipt of what you were told you would get at interview.
It was a real bost to get the last options at over £3, its such golden handcuff. One I imagine the company will not have pay out on for many years.
