Air Atlanta Made Answer For Its Methods (Merged)
Do they really want you to pay your type rating yourself???
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Flash.
F/Os start on 175 USD per day. No per diem no extras. O/T paid at 75 dollars an hour after 75 hours. Thats it!
I believe Mikey Dees pays more, but then you will have to check with 411A as that was the only place he could get a job after he was "let go".
I have never applied or been turned down for a training job but maybe I should apply if 12 K is true. At least I have that choice!
Thanks for the info!
F/Os start on 175 USD per day. No per diem no extras. O/T paid at 75 dollars an hour after 75 hours. Thats it!
I believe Mikey Dees pays more, but then you will have to check with 411A as that was the only place he could get a job after he was "let go".
I have never applied or been turned down for a training job but maybe I should apply if 12 K is true. At least I have that choice!
Thanks for the info!
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Yes thermal...out of date.
In the past, 12 grand+ was the norm...that's why I left.
A few guys (Flybob) never learn...
'Course he wouldn't know, as he didn't qualify.
Hardly surprising.
In the past, 12 grand+ was the norm...that's why I left.
A few guys (Flybob) never learn...
'Course he wouldn't know, as he didn't qualify.
Hardly surprising.
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Flybob et al,
175 USD per day
so if you work 10 months thats $50,000
don't sound so bad now does it??
Or u could work at McDs for $6 an hour - thats $48 per day - 8 hour max outside aviation remember - thats about $15,000 a year. And they will be paying a couple of grand tax on that....
And with that overtime as well you guys will be worth at least 4 burger flippers!!
SO can we stick to the valid complaints and fears about security, safety etc, cos when u start moaning about only making $50k a year it does diminish your other arguments which we need to take seriously
175 USD per day
so if you work 10 months thats $50,000
don't sound so bad now does it??
Or u could work at McDs for $6 an hour - thats $48 per day - 8 hour max outside aviation remember - thats about $15,000 a year. And they will be paying a couple of grand tax on that....
And with that overtime as well you guys will be worth at least 4 burger flippers!!
SO can we stick to the valid complaints and fears about security, safety etc, cos when u start moaning about only making $50k a year it does diminish your other arguments which we need to take seriously
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Crundale,
How can you relate Big macs to Pilots?
Perhaps we should state this in a way that you understand!
We dont want small salaries, an we dont want to go large on our fries or drink.
We want regular industry salaries. With normal time at home.
Have you seen your wife an children in the last 6 months?
Were you able to come home once a month?
Or have you spent several months away from home at low pay.
An when you finally went home after many months it was without any pay.
Did your family recognise you?
When you walked out the door to return to work did they look you in the eye when you said I may not return home for a few more months.
If I do we cannot afford it!
Dont hand us your crew scheduling Bull SXXT.
How can you relate Big macs to Pilots?
Perhaps we should state this in a way that you understand!
We dont want small salaries, an we dont want to go large on our fries or drink.
We want regular industry salaries. With normal time at home.
Have you seen your wife an children in the last 6 months?
Were you able to come home once a month?
Or have you spent several months away from home at low pay.
An when you finally went home after many months it was without any pay.
Did your family recognise you?
When you walked out the door to return to work did they look you in the eye when you said I may not return home for a few more months.
If I do we cannot afford it!
Dont hand us your crew scheduling Bull SXXT.
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Mr "Loaded1"
Obviously an appropriate nickname, must be a pilot, from one of the majors i'd guess !! If i'm off target i apologise in advance.
Guess you couldn't resist the bait and had to bite back.
The first three lines you sarcastically posted, must have been formed somewhere, perhaps deep down that is what you think, the world thinks, of pilots...I don't agree, only some are like that. makes you question if it's all bull though. Even you think it !!!
Although if you are silly enough to run back to the "abusing owner" then you probably deserve the abuse.
We all have a choice - Or is it destiny
Enjoy
Obviously an appropriate nickname, must be a pilot, from one of the majors i'd guess !! If i'm off target i apologise in advance.
Guess you couldn't resist the bait and had to bite back.
The first three lines you sarcastically posted, must have been formed somewhere, perhaps deep down that is what you think, the world thinks, of pilots...I don't agree, only some are like that. makes you question if it's all bull though. Even you think it !!!
Although if you are silly enough to run back to the "abusing owner" then you probably deserve the abuse.
We all have a choice - Or is it destiny
Enjoy
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Earl,
Oh dear. How right you are. Last time i chose to work abroad i did indeed get home an average of once every 3 months, and that was at my own expense not paid for by the company. And no i didnt get paid in the end and I am still owed about 7 months salary. But i stayed on because i believed in the company. Had i had a rational thought in my head i would have come home earlier of course.
And being but a humble oik from Ops meant the salary i never received was about 1/4 of that of the Captains. They were paid in full each month (at 5% tax thru Liechtenstein - all illegally) while i was shafted (at 50% tax). And they all left before me.
And when i left there i had to leave my home and partner.
So, yes i know how you feel, maybe more so. Yes it was all my fault, and yes i could have stayed in the UK on a much smaller salary. But i dont blame anyone else except myself. Wasn;t any airlines fault, they never chained me to a desk.
It was great fun though, and i'd do it again.
You shouldnt be so bitter, just admit you make sacrifices for the money. Ask yourself though is it worth it? People at McDs still manage to raise kids, just without the big house, flash car etc.
And be nice to your crew schedulers, you never know when you may need them
Have a happy xmas and i hope u get home soon
Oh dear. How right you are. Last time i chose to work abroad i did indeed get home an average of once every 3 months, and that was at my own expense not paid for by the company. And no i didnt get paid in the end and I am still owed about 7 months salary. But i stayed on because i believed in the company. Had i had a rational thought in my head i would have come home earlier of course.
And being but a humble oik from Ops meant the salary i never received was about 1/4 of that of the Captains. They were paid in full each month (at 5% tax thru Liechtenstein - all illegally) while i was shafted (at 50% tax). And they all left before me.
And when i left there i had to leave my home and partner.
So, yes i know how you feel, maybe more so. Yes it was all my fault, and yes i could have stayed in the UK on a much smaller salary. But i dont blame anyone else except myself. Wasn;t any airlines fault, they never chained me to a desk.
It was great fun though, and i'd do it again.
You shouldnt be so bitter, just admit you make sacrifices for the money. Ask yourself though is it worth it? People at McDs still manage to raise kids, just without the big house, flash car etc.
And be nice to your crew schedulers, you never know when you may need them
Have a happy xmas and i hope u get home soon
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Crew Scheduler by Day, Burger Flipper by Night
Hey Crundale, how about a BigMac to go,,, and a few days off please...
Let's see now,, training to be a crew scheduler,, hmmm,, on the job training and if you don't know you ask the manager.. you work 8 hours a day with lunch, oh and a few breaks for a cigarette or coffee,, if you like,,,
Training to be a cockpit crew member,, thousands of pounds, or dollars, which ever,,, years of experience in most cases to reach a command,, The responsibility of hundreds of lives.. The responsibility of Millions of pounds/dollars worth of aircraft,, and, you have to put up with some snot nose kid who is "learning" to be a crew scheduler.
Mind you, there are some very excellent crew scheduling departments out there. Much of it is a learned profession, but most of all, a courteous mindset and the maturity to do the job professionally is what's necessary.
I hope you are home for Christmas too !!!
Let's see now,, training to be a crew scheduler,, hmmm,, on the job training and if you don't know you ask the manager.. you work 8 hours a day with lunch, oh and a few breaks for a cigarette or coffee,, if you like,,,
Training to be a cockpit crew member,, thousands of pounds, or dollars, which ever,,, years of experience in most cases to reach a command,, The responsibility of hundreds of lives.. The responsibility of Millions of pounds/dollars worth of aircraft,, and, you have to put up with some snot nose kid who is "learning" to be a crew scheduler.
Mind you, there are some very excellent crew scheduling departments out there. Much of it is a learned profession, but most of all, a courteous mindset and the maturity to do the job professionally is what's necessary.
I hope you are home for Christmas too !!!
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"Password" you are a 'Newark', mate. Give it a little time and you'll work it out.
Your pompous b)ll%hit inspired me to use IRONY as a means of contrasting your post effectively. But I had not counted on your rampant inability to see that.
OED: Irony; subtle MOCKERY or humour; sarcasm; way of speaking in which words mean the opposite of their normal or APPARENT meaning.
Oh, and your wrong about the reason for my username too. What might it be that you do? (Apart from being a Newark).
Your pompous b)ll%hit inspired me to use IRONY as a means of contrasting your post effectively. But I had not counted on your rampant inability to see that.
OED: Irony; subtle MOCKERY or humour; sarcasm; way of speaking in which words mean the opposite of their normal or APPARENT meaning.
Oh, and your wrong about the reason for my username too. What might it be that you do? (Apart from being a Newark).
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Children please! This thread started out about Air Atlanta and I for one keep looking back to see if anyone has added any useful comments (about Air Atlanta). Can't you guys just email each other directly to argue about who has the biggest Dad or whether or not you want to be pilots when you grow up? I don't think many other people care one way or the other.
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Personally I can't wait for an upturn, when companies with descent pay and conditions start to hire again and there is at last a genuine choice of employer for aircrew who have found themselves unemployed over the last couple of years. Sit back and watch the exodus............
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Hey Crundale, please be careful!
You've no doubt seen the "fly on the wall" documentaries about MCD's and Burger Kings too!
Next time any pilot walks into one of these joints, he'll probably get a big green flob mixed in with their secret recipe sauce. OMG
Come to think of it, I think I'll give both joints a miss. I hope they can't tell the offspring of a peelot, cos my kids eat there very often.
Fast food for thought
You've no doubt seen the "fly on the wall" documentaries about MCD's and Burger Kings too!
Next time any pilot walks into one of these joints, he'll probably get a big green flob mixed in with their secret recipe sauce. OMG
Come to think of it, I think I'll give both joints a miss. I hope they can't tell the offspring of a peelot, cos my kids eat there very often.
Fast food for thought
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....aircrew who have found themselves unemployed over the last couple of years....
How many could have afforded just to sit back and wait??
How do you keep current?? etc also Contract pilots are the last to be touched by 'regular' airlines.
How many could have afforded just to sit back and wait??
How do you keep current?? etc also Contract pilots are the last to be touched by 'regular' airlines.
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Threat on Air Atlanta crews
Slavery is back to AA! Mister O from Ireland find a new way to have his "long term contract" sign!!!!!!!!!!!
By the end of this month all Ace contracts were cancel and a new agency will take over: Airborne
What is going to happen?
Simple: You will fly the Hajj for 175$ per day, including Chrismas and new Year ( cabin from Asia and north Africa 40$ per day)
No insurance
No per diem
No security
Based in a ex military barracks
Over weight aircraft
Illegal crew duty days
hajj flu
And the list goes on........
Pilots sticking together for better conditions.
Word is bases will be broken up to prevent this.
Thank you Bill gates we have email.
Thank you Mr. O. for your long term contract AKA, Lies to Crews
By the end of this month all Ace contracts were cancel and a new agency will take over: Airborne
What is going to happen?
Simple: You will fly the Hajj for 175$ per day, including Chrismas and new Year ( cabin from Asia and north Africa 40$ per day)
No insurance
No per diem
No security
Based in a ex military barracks
Over weight aircraft
Illegal crew duty days
hajj flu
And the list goes on........
Pilots sticking together for better conditions.
Word is bases will be broken up to prevent this.
Thank you Bill gates we have email.
Thank you Mr. O. for your long term contract AKA, Lies to Crews
