Dinard closed for Ryanair?
I can see the headlines now "CLOSED AIRFIELD FORCES RYANAIR FLIGHTS TO DIVERT TO A REAL AIRPORT" and "Passengers amazed to discover that there ARE airports near the cities in Europe "
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Just a few questions:
As I've heard, pilots sign in +45 mins (C/A's +60mins) Now that is what I call getting priorities correct?!?
They then have to be onboard +30 mins. If Ops don't do a pre-flt check of all NOTAMS, crappy Wx diversions etc. then no way can crews do it professionally and correctly in 15 mins. I suspect this +45mins is for FTL/duty time criterea.
Now, if the flight was delayed so the crew could do the pre-flight job competely, to what would the delay be credited? If the crews come in early what is the consequence on duty times?
I presume they are audited by their FOI, and I presume someone from the authority occasionally flies as an observer. This can not be an unknown fact; so who is turning a blind eye?
The cost of a diversion or lengthy holding due to lack of ATC, which could have been avoided by a delayed departure, can hardly be considered a cost saving, which was the objective of the exercise in the first place.
Having said that; there are many airlines who did not introduce CAT2/3 ops on a cost analysis basis. i.e. the cost of such ops was greater than the few diversions. No doubt something similar applies here, in that the number of ops staff and crew duty times has been costed versus the occasional inconvenience.
As management pilots are regular fliers they must be aware of the situation and condone it, or have no problem. Ask them how they do it and follow suit.
As I've heard, pilots sign in +45 mins (C/A's +60mins) Now that is what I call getting priorities correct?!?
They then have to be onboard +30 mins. If Ops don't do a pre-flt check of all NOTAMS, crappy Wx diversions etc. then no way can crews do it professionally and correctly in 15 mins. I suspect this +45mins is for FTL/duty time criterea.
Now, if the flight was delayed so the crew could do the pre-flight job competely, to what would the delay be credited? If the crews come in early what is the consequence on duty times?
I presume they are audited by their FOI, and I presume someone from the authority occasionally flies as an observer. This can not be an unknown fact; so who is turning a blind eye?
The cost of a diversion or lengthy holding due to lack of ATC, which could have been avoided by a delayed departure, can hardly be considered a cost saving, which was the objective of the exercise in the first place.
Having said that; there are many airlines who did not introduce CAT2/3 ops on a cost analysis basis. i.e. the cost of such ops was greater than the few diversions. No doubt something similar applies here, in that the number of ops staff and crew duty times has been costed versus the occasional inconvenience.
As management pilots are regular fliers they must be aware of the situation and condone it, or have no problem. Ask them how they do it and follow suit.
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What I am about to say does not excuse not reading the notams but as with everything there is the other side.
As for the 45 min report yes its tight but in reality because of the professionalism in Ryanair most Captains and FOs are nearly always there 1 hour before and more.
I myself ending up holding at one of our airports in Germany due ATC being closed early one morning. Yes I did read the notam but we pushed back early, several directs from ATC and stonking tailwind before we knew it we were arriving 10 mins before the airport opened even with slowing down. S**t happenens. Might this have happened in Dinard?
As for this low cost divorce material rubbish. I like being in my own bed every night and I enjoy even more my guaranteed 3 days off every week. Been in FR 5 years dont know of any divorces yet. Several divorced pre Ryanair.
Even better no night flights saw Air 2000 crew going through Enterprise House about 2330 one night to start work. NO THANKS.
Considering the amount of flying we do and the multi sector days that go by without incident or problem then perhaps the critics of the Dinard crew will give us credit where due. Somehow I doubt it though.
As for the 45 min report yes its tight but in reality because of the professionalism in Ryanair most Captains and FOs are nearly always there 1 hour before and more.
I myself ending up holding at one of our airports in Germany due ATC being closed early one morning. Yes I did read the notam but we pushed back early, several directs from ATC and stonking tailwind before we knew it we were arriving 10 mins before the airport opened even with slowing down. S**t happenens. Might this have happened in Dinard?
As for this low cost divorce material rubbish. I like being in my own bed every night and I enjoy even more my guaranteed 3 days off every week. Been in FR 5 years dont know of any divorces yet. Several divorced pre Ryanair.
Even better no night flights saw Air 2000 crew going through Enterprise House about 2330 one night to start work. NO THANKS.
Considering the amount of flying we do and the multi sector days that go by without incident or problem then perhaps the critics of the Dinard crew will give us credit where due. Somehow I doubt it though.
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Agree with Mach fully!
The best prove is in the pudding: all the complainers have never worked and or never will work for RYR..
The ones who do are happy, well paid, flying a lot and know what the schedule is and sleep at home thank you very much!
The best prove is in the pudding: all the complainers have never worked and or never will work for RYR..
The ones who do are happy, well paid, flying a lot and know what the schedule is and sleep at home thank you very much!
