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cominginhot 24th June 2025 17:58

Here's a clearer view of his approach. Seem like he got alittle antsy with the cyclic w/ the first bounce

https://www.facebook.com/reel/706123948945379

twinstar_ca 24th June 2025 18:27


Originally Posted by Winnie (Post 11909889)
Went back and saw the logo, then checked the reg. It's registered to Arrow Helicopters out of Revelstoke. but doubt they'd be operating in Michigan...

I knew it was Arrow's logo... but i haven't researched it.... i thought they just operated AStars and thought maybe a private owner contract.... not sure i'd want my logo on there... :ouch:

206Fan 24th June 2025 19:01


Here's a clearer view of his approach. Seem like he got alittle antsy with the cyclic w/ the first bounce
Along with landing downwind!

Nubian 24th June 2025 20:34


Originally Posted by 206Fan (Post 11910073)
Along with a serious Tail Wind!

Serious tail wind??

malabo 24th June 2025 21:58

As Charlton Heston famously quoted in “Counterpoint”, “Prostitution isn’t the only profession that has been ruined by amateurs!”

206Fan 24th June 2025 22:49


Originally Posted by Nubian (Post 11910131)
Serious tail wind??

In the video linked above on FB, you can see the pilot landed downwind!

Gordy 24th June 2025 22:53


Originally Posted by 206Fan (Post 11910198)
In the video linked above on FB, you can see the pilot landed down wind!

It is only a couple knots, and he is already back in ground effect—-has nothing to do with the crash in my book.

comingup 28th June 2025 00:26

Looks like an 8-10 knot tailwind to me. I found the 130 to be a handful. With the skids set so far back, just a very small amount of forward cyclic will pitch it forward when light on the skids, especially with a tailwind. This guy forgot that. I've seen it happen plenty and it happened to me once. You really have to keep flying it when on the ground and slowly lower the collective. The 130 is not a helicopter for low timers.

Devil49 28th June 2025 01:36

Not necessarily pertinent to this case, I had to guard all the controls in the 350 all the time with passengers aboard. I seldom flew with dual controls (pilot seat on the right front) with a front seat passenger but even in those few cases people equated the cyclic with car steering wheel properties and would push it around, usually forward for more leg clearance. I always wondered if the 350 would go over the nose. Now I know that it could with some power applied..
Even without dual controls, you should guard the collective- the 'critters' might set their bag (and strap) between the seats, often fouling the FFL, pushing it down to shut off or pulling it up from idle to useful power. The twist grip B3s were much much better cockpits.

I loved the 350... except the Lycoming D.

JimEli 29th June 2025 18:10

This appears to be a dynamic rollover incident due to improper/loss of aircraft control. To be determined is the reason for the improper control inputs (incapacitated pilot, control interference, hydraulic hard-over, control system failure, etc.) A contributing factor appears to be the selected landing direction vs. wind azimuth, which would exacerbate the forward pitch due to the wind’s influence upon the horizontal stabilizer (4” wider on the EC-130 vs. AS-350) and aft landing gear fairing. Potentially, a forward CG could have had increased the susceptibility to the forward roll-over, as the EC-130 has an expanded forward CG range as compared to the AS-350. Of note, is that while the landing gear on the EC-130 gives the appearance of being further aft when compared to the AS-350, they share virtually the same forward point of contact.



comingup 30th June 2025 21:14


Originally Posted by JimEli (Post 11913159)
A contributing factor appears to be the selected landing direction vs. wind azimuth, which would exacerbate the forward pitch due to the wind’s influence upon the horizontal stabilizer (4” wider on the EC-130 vs. AS-350) and aft landing gear fairing.

Or you could say they landed downwind.

212man 30th June 2025 22:14


Originally Posted by comingup (Post 11913897)
Or you could say they landed downwind.

That’s what we said in the old days


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