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Pilot looked very hesitant to me.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/4061951724060557

Made the NY Post too...

https://nypost.com/2025/06/22/us-new...urant-running/

Is that called a longitudinal roll over?

The headline "Helicopter crashes near Michigan lake, sending diners at waterfront restaurant running" is inaccurate.
Nobody runs (or even ducks) anywhere - that's the problem. Do people not have any survival instincts these days?

On the plus side, at least the person filming didn’t start filming the ground at the money shot, as often happens 😂

When you see it from a different angle, they are nowhere near the crash.

if this was not mechanical.
I gotta ask - How do some folks get a licence? Do they find the darn thing at the bottom of a crackerjack box?
Is the only criteria money?
Somebody passed that “pilot’”’s check-ride…

Landing facing downwind and possibly also limited on power? I would suggest poor handling and probably poorly trained in the delicacy of out of wind landings.

Despite the downwind, it seems quite clear a large forward cyclic input after the skids are fully on ground.

It's a 350B4... It has all the power. This was a poorly trained pilot. at the termination of the landing it looks like they're level, before they stuff cyclic forwards and raise the collective...

Looks to me like its is one of those wow look at me land my helicopter where all can see me do it.

Is not the first time and won't be the last time that a pilot to trips on their own ego.

There's a better video on Aviation Safety Network where you can see some rather large and jerky control inputs, both collective and cyclic. It seems as a slight slope he is landing on, tail low, and the disk tilted far forward.

From the video, I'll be very surprised if the pilot had any significant time in the machine. Reminds me of the 350 trying to land on the dolly in Oxnard a few years back....allthough with a better ending.

It's a EC130T2, so even better performance.

winnie and albatross, says was a canadian registered machine... did you notice the logo on the tail??

There is a similar video of a Squirrel in Fiji.


Tense, less capable pilot - touches the skids down. Rushes the collective down. AC tilts back (due surface or hovering toes low). Pilot looks at the ground or somewhere -losing the vital accurate cabin attitude perspective. Too much forward cyclic and panicked haul up of the collective. New machine required.

Is it possible in these instances with excessive cyclic off centre, they get a vibration or droop stop pounding and panic thinking it’s ground resonance?
It may explain the massive pitch pull which of course is a problem when the disk is off centre.

It is registered to Arrow Helicopters out of Revelstoke. I'm guessing it's a wealthy heli-ski buddy of theirs.

I have never been in the 130 but have lots of Astar time so be patient…: I watched a guy do almost the same thing on the ramp at KLGD Oregon several years ago. He was very lucky to have not rolled it over the nose and he was facing us while we were on the forestry ramp watching (slow news day and all…). The aircraft settled down upright but I really did think there would be blade contact with the pavement but fortunately it never went that far. Is there a CofG or out of wind problem with the 130 that the 125 doesn’t have? If I remember correctly he had a full cabin…
Hopefully no one was injured in this accident and I am happy to relay that no one seemed to be in the incident I witnessed…

It's a powerful rotor head, and with a contact from the skids, there is a pivot point to help with the following disaster.

Have seen similar when a passenger, trying to get out of the left seat with engine running, lifted right leg to go over the cyclic but caught it and pushed it hard forward and left. Big, but not totally unexpected, Splat.

Went back and saw the logo, then checked the reg. It's registered to Arrow Helicopters out of Revelstoke. but doubt they'd be operating in Michigan...

Machine is, or in another term "was" a year old according to the TC Website.

Recent movements!

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/CGPVB

Here's a clearer view of his approach. Seem like he got alittle antsy with the cyclic w/ the first bounce

https://www.facebook.com/reel/706123948945379

I knew it was Arrow's logo... but i haven't researched it.... i thought they just operated AStars and thought maybe a private owner contract.... not sure i'd want my logo on there... :ouch:

Along with landing downwind!

Serious tail wind??

As Charlton Heston famously quoted in “Counterpoint”, “Prostitution isn’t the only profession that has been ruined by amateurs!”

In the video linked above on FB, you can see the pilot landed downwind!

It is only a couple knots, and he is already back in ground effect—-has nothing to do with the crash in my book.

Looks like an 8-10 knot tailwind to me. I found the 130 to be a handful. With the skids set so far back, just a very small amount of forward cyclic will pitch it forward when light on the skids, especially with a tailwind. This guy forgot that. I've seen it happen plenty and it happened to me once. You really have to keep flying it when on the ground and slowly lower the collective. The 130 is not a helicopter for low timers.

Not necessarily pertinent to this case, I had to guard all the controls in the 350 all the time with passengers aboard. I seldom flew with dual controls (pilot seat on the right front) with a front seat passenger but even in those few cases people equated the cyclic with car steering wheel properties and would push it around, usually forward for more leg clearance. I always wondered if the 350 would go over the nose. Now I know that it could with some power applied..
Even without dual controls, you should guard the collective- the 'critters' might set their bag (and strap) between the seats, often fouling the FFL, pushing it down to shut off or pulling it up from idle to useful power. The twist grip B3s were much much better cockpits.

I loved the 350... except the Lycoming D.

This appears to be a dynamic rollover incident due to improper/loss of aircraft control. To be determined is the reason for the improper control inputs (incapacitated pilot, control interference, hydraulic hard-over, control system failure, etc.) A contributing factor appears to be the selected landing direction vs. wind azimuth, which would exacerbate the forward pitch due to the wind’s influence upon the horizontal stabilizer (4” wider on the EC-130 vs. AS-350) and aft landing gear fairing. Potentially, a forward CG could have had increased the susceptibility to the forward roll-over, as the EC-130 has an expanded forward CG range as compared to the AS-350. Of note, is that while the landing gear on the EC-130 gives the appearance of being further aft when compared to the AS-350, they share virtually the same forward point of contact.

Or you could say they landed downwind.

That’s what we said in the old days