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L#cky Strike 16th January 2011 16:55

Ferranti in Masirah
 
Hi savoia!
I've only just noticed this thread and see that you seem to have left out a detachment of 2 Bell 206s based at RAF Masirah in 1975-6 supporting an exploratory drilling rig. To my shame, I can't remember the guy's names (poss Chris Hunt?), but they fully engaged in the life of the Mess and were guilty of inducing several very severe hangovers in a couple of young Air Traffic Flying Officers! I don't think I have any photos and am definitely unable to remember the registrations, but have very fond memories of our association.

L#cky Strike

Savoia 7th February 2011 18:45

Atticus Conundrum
 
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We are still musing over issues surrounding 'Atticus' G-ATUS which in the image below is cited as belonging to Denis de Ferranti at the time the photo was taken:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a...ani%252529.jpg
Impression of G-ATUS on the Fairey Aviation apron at Manchester's Ringway Airport on 7th August 1967 (Drawing by Alfonso Damiano based on a photo by Paul Tomlin)

However, CAA records reveal that from September 1966 to May 1968 this aircraft was registered to Sir Quinton Hazell.

Paul Tomlin has kindly enlarged the shield on Atticus' fuselage and has provided a copy of the Quinton Hazell corporate logo below:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/__...TUS_shield.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...QH1%5B1%5D.jpg

In my mind this leaves little room for doubt in that both the QH logo and the shield on Atticus depict a red dragon signifying that the craft must have been Quinton Hazell's and not Denis de Ferranti's.

About Sir Quinton:


Credited as the man who broke the cartel of the motor parts industry, Quinton Hazell also changed the way automobile components were manufactured and sold in Britain in the post-war years. At its peak in the 1950s and 1960s his company, Quinton Hazell Ltd, sold to 160 countries world-wide and was the largest independent supplier of automobile parts in Europe.

Previously, motor spares in Britain were available only from automotive manufacturers; they came in separate greasy bits of paper, often with the vital part missing. Hazell's product, a neat box containing all that was needed for a particular job, bore the Welsh dragon as a trademark. In the Far East they were known as "Dragon" products, and since the dragon was a respected symbol they enjoyed an ever-increasing share of the market.

Hazell also developed a chain of wholesalers, and whereas previously such outfits had been anonymous - windows painted over with green paint without and oily counters within - he insisted on window displays, well-stocked stores and tidy assistants. These changes, and many others, became accepted trade practice, and it was not long before motor journals dubbed Hazell "the father of the automobile after market".

Quinton Hazell was born in Burnage, near Manchester, in 1920, and attended Manchester Grammar School where he proved his sporting prowess as an excellent swimmer and rugby player. On leaving, instead of going to university, he chose to embark on an apprenticeship in a chain of garages owned by a family friend in Colwyn Bay. He was 18 when the Second World War broke out and was sent to France with the British Expeditionary Force in 1939. Evacuated from Dunkirk, he finished his service as Battery Quarter Master Sergeant Royal Artillery.

During the war Hazell saw how the Americans presented their motor spares - well- coded and easy to use - and after demobilisation visited the United States to observe how their motor trade was organised. He returned in 1946 and, with the help of a pounds 5,000 legacy, a staff of four friends and his wife Morwenna, set up his own company to manufacture and sell motor parts. Growth was rapid and consistent. By the mid-1950s the company was employing nearly 800 staff.

Over the next 15 years the business continued to expand and probe new markets. In 1972 Quinton Hazell Ltd won the Queen's Award for Industry, for export achievement. The following year the company was taken over by Burmah Oil. Hazell found that life in a big corporation did not suit him and started to look around for new challenges. He took a stake in the Supra Group, a small company making sound insulation, under-seal and paint for the motor trade. A motor component side was added and, never one to do anything half-heartedly, Hazell began competing against his own Burmah-owned subsidiary, Quinton Hazell Ltd.

Outside his own business area, Hazell was well known in the West Midlands for his trenchant views on British industry and the decline of its manufacturing base. He also played an active part in public life, serving for many years as Chairman of the West Midlands Planning Council and being appointed Deputy Lieutenant of Warwickshire in 1982. He was appointed CBE for political services in 1978 and was knighted in 1995.

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Camp Freddie 7th February 2011 19:01

EI-AWA
 
I hope G-COIN has improved, because when I flew it once years ago, it was the worst jetranger ever, terrible paint job, interior and radios :(

CF

paulh0789 18th February 2011 20:51

Last few minutes of archive film from Man Alive documenary film from 1969 out of the BBC archives shows Sebastian Ferranti flying a helicopter. Might be worth a look.

BBC - Archive - Aerial Journeys - Bird's Eye View | Man on the Move

Helicopter bit starts at 44.18

Savoia 23rd February 2011 05:15

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Paul many thanks for this.

We shall see if we can get permission to stream this segment on our site. I think it would make a great addition to the material we are collecting. :ok:

Brgds

S.

Savoia 9th April 2011 14:17

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The Ferranti Files:

I am seeking to conclude the inventory of rotorcraft owned by the Ferranti family and which were primarily used for their personal transport. (ie: not the Ferranti Helicopters fleet).

What I have is as follows:

Sebastian de Ferranti

G-APVD Westland S-51 Widgeon (1963-72)
G-ATFV AgustaBell 47J2A (1965-69)
G-AVSN AgustaBell 206A (1967-70)

Denis de Ferranti

Brantly B2
EI-AVN Hughes 500C
EI-AWA Bell 206A
AS 350B G-MSDJ (1989-2000)
AS 350B G-SMDJ (1999-2003)

Mark de Ferranti

AS 350B G-SMDJ (2003-2011)

I am still searching for details on Denis' Brantly, as well as the dates of ownership for AVN and AWA.

I have now discounted the Brantly 305 (G-ATUS) from Denis' fleet as there seems to be no evidence supporting this. I am assuming therefore that the presence of 'Atticus' at Manchester Barton was simply a visit by Sir Quinton Hazell and that Denis in fact owned a B2.

Sav

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/__...FHTS%20TYM.png

farsouth 9th April 2011 15:11

I think Denis owned Hughes 500 EI-ATY as well but will have to check with "a reliable source"

- Yes, confirmed, EI-ATY definitely belonged to Denis, and was subsequently put on the UK register sold to a garage owner in Lytham St Annes

Savoia 6th May 2011 08:05

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For the few who remember my godfather, he has today turned 90!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__...ob%20Smith.jpg

Lt. Col. Robert (Bob) Smith
Former Managing Director, Ferranti Helicopters
Born: 6th May 1921

TRC 6th May 2011 08:31

What................ no Cavalry Officer's cap???

I hope he's got his shoes on this time, or is that why the picture is cropped at the knee .

Happy Birthday L/Cpl Smith.

Ask him 'What's the name of his ship', then 'what's the cargo'.

Savoia 7th May 2011 07:52

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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/__...29%20Smith.jpg

Not the cap from his days with the Royal Artillery but the one employed during his tenure with Ferranti. The cap badge, fashioned from solid silver, depicted the 'Ferranti Fleur-de-lys' and was topped with a ruby (worn by the Colonel, his Chief Pilot Squadron Leader Salt and Ferranti's Operations Manager Major Warburton). In the badges of the remaining crew the ruby was substituted with a garnet.


Ask him 'What's the name of his ship', then 'what's the cargo'.
Clear evidence that you imbibed with the Colonel. So many moons ago since I heard those words that it moistens the eye TRC!

Rgds

Sav

Cornish Jack 7th May 2011 17:47

This thread has caused me a bit of head scratching (not good, 'cos it removes some of the limited remaining hair:{)
I had expected to find some mention of a Jet Ranger piloted by a female member of the Ferranti family. Reason being that, sometime between '68 and '71, the, then annual, helicopter Garden Party/Fly In was held at RAF Tern Hill. Of the two memories of the day, one was dropping our smoke grenade UPWIND of the VIP guest enclosure:=:\, the other was the arrival of said Jet Ranger and being goggle-eyed at the tall, blonde lime-green trouser suited lady pilot:ooh::mad:!! Limited memory cells tell me that she was of the Ferranti clan - Yes??? or senile confusion???

Savoia 7th May 2011 19:07

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CJ: I am not saying that the Ferranti family have never had a female flyer but .. my impression is that they have not. I did mention earlier in the thread that Denis de Ferranti compelled his aging driver to obtain a licence but I'm not sure if he extended this 'enforced flying service' to anyone else.

In my view the most likely candidate, and someone who fits your description and timeline, is Gay Absalom - the UK's first female commercial helicopter pilot.

If it was Gay who turned-up at Tern Hill and if she did arrive in one of Ferranti's Dijon-yellow 206's then this was perhaps by special arrangement and which is perfectly possible given that my godfather knew Gay.

Hopefully there may be someone with clearer recollections who can assist.


Sav

Nigel Osborn 7th May 2011 22:02

Mrs Ferranti had a PPL & flew their 206 with me in 1976 in the south of France. Denis wanted her to do at least one solo circuit which after several weeks of practice, she did very nicely once she had regained her confidence. I think his daughter could also fly but she didn't on this occasion. Mrs Ferranti was a charming lady, so nice to my wife & boys.

massbrook house 7th May 2011 23:03

hi i have a photos of that hughs500c taken near massbrook hs
will scan them and send them on

Cornish Jack 8th May 2011 12:45

Thank you, Sav. Ms Absalom it could well be. Difficult to tell from the photo how tall she is - the lady I mentioned was distinctly tall and elegant, blonde and ... I suppose, stunning would be apt!!:ok: As you may have guessed, I was quite impressed!!

massbrook house 14th May 2011 21:42

hughs 500c
 
hi how are you, i have some photos of hughs 500c eiavn/
if you send me your email wiil send them to you
kieran

lisa171 5th June 2011 21:16

Paddy McLoughlin
 
Hi,
I think I might be able to help you with your search for Paddy McLoughlin. If you are still interested, please get in touch with me.
Kind regards,
Lisa

Savoia 6th June 2011 06:59

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Dear Lisa

We would love to establish contact with Paddy and in which regard I have sent you a PM.

Thank you for your assistance.

Krgds

Savoia

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...OBkU/Paddy.jpg

Paddy McLaughlin

Flew helicopters with the Royal Air Force until 1969. Became an instructor and spent two years at the Central Flying School. Joined Bristow Helicopters gaining experience in the Middle East and the North Sea. Joined Ferranti in 1973 where he became Bo105 fleet operations manager.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K...%252520TYM.png

John Eacott 6th June 2011 08:05

After the incident with Paddy and the (naked) 80 year old biddy on Cable Beach, Broome, I'm still not sure about Paddy :p

Nigel Osborn 6th June 2011 12:40

Paddy had a nasty experience when he ditched a Bristow Puma off Karatha. While doing a gentle breast stroke, he swallowed too much sea water containing Jet A1. He ended up with his own training flight school in Jandakot. Lost track of him after that.
John kept his mouth shut & was ok.:ok:

Oldlae 7th June 2011 11:53

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/p...gs/pumaoz2.jpg


http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/p...pgkarratha.jpg

The Puma Paddy and John ? were flying to one of the LNG ships off Karratha.

Savoia 7th June 2011 13:03

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Does anyone know what caused the aircraft to fail?

britneyacacia 7th June 2011 13:20

That's exciting - keep us updated, hope everything goes smoothly!
http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/C/Bz.jpg http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/i9/Bz.jpg http://freeimagestocks.com/content/69/grey.png http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/iB/Bz.jpg http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/o/Bz.jpg http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/B5/Bz.jpg http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/Bi/Bz.jpg http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/E/Bz.jpg http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/BK/Bz.jpg http://freeimagestock4you.com/img/BM/Bz.jpg

CharlieOneSix 7th June 2011 13:57

CFIW - Puma SA330J VH-WOF, Mermaid Sound WA, 12 May 1991


The aircraft was tasked to carry out a marine pilot pick-up from a departing tanker. The flight was conducted by two pilots operating under night visual flight rules. Conditions were a moonless night with no defined horizon, no outside lighting other than from the ship, and a surface wind that was light and variable. The ship was steaming in a northerly direction at 12.5 kts. The flight proceeded normally until the aircraft was established on final approach to the helideck. As the aircraft descended through 500 ft the rate of descent had increased to about 1,000 ft/min. Although the pilot in command increased main rotor pitch, the aircraft's rate of descent continued to increase until just prior to impact with the water. Both occupants were rescued approximately 1 h after they evacuated the helicopter. The report concludes that the standard approach technique used by the pilots, coupled with the prevailing weather conditions, caused the aircraft to enter a high rate of descent shortly after the aircraft started its normal final approach to the deck. The high rate of descent was probably the result of entry to the incipient stage of Vortex-ring state'. A lack of visual cues and inadequate management of cockpit resources prevented the crew from recognising the abnormal situation until the aircraft was well into the descent. Recovery action was commenced too late to prevent impact with the water.

Nigel Osborn 8th June 2011 00:53

Sav
There was nothing wrong with the Puma until it hit the water!! :ok:

Shane101 8th June 2011 23:41

Irish Ferranti Helis
 
Hi all, this is my first post here.
FYI Heres a full list of Denis Ferrantis helis in Ireland. They were registered under Helicopter Maintenance Ltd but the real maintenance was done by Mick Byrne and the lads at Irish Helicopters who had to drive down to Mayo as Denis prefered to have it done there apparently.

EI-ARU Brantly B.305 c/n 1035 (ex N12H, G-ATYB) reg 14.8.67 cax 9.1.68 to CF-FKR

EI-ASW Bell 206A c/n 180 (new) reg 17.4.68 to welltrade ltd 1.12.68, to private 23.11.70, cax Sep 72 to G-BADS, SE-HGH, w/o

EI-ATY Hughes 369HM c/n 49-0036M (new) reg 28.5.69 crashed Scotland 11.1.72 , repaired, cax oct 75 to G-BDKL, G-VNPP, G-HSKY.

EI-AVK Brantly B.2B c/n330 (ex N2168U, G-ASLO) reg 19.10.71 cax ? to G-ASLO w/o

EI-AVN Hughes 369HM c/n 52-0214M (ex N9037F) reg 15.8.72 cax June 1993 to G-RAMM, G-KBOT, G-HAUS.

EI-AWA Bell 206B2 c/n897 (new) reg 7.12.72 cax 8.3.85 to G-COIN.

EI-BPM Aerospatiale AS350B1 c/n 1805 (ex G-BLSB) reg 3.4.85 cax July 1993 to G-OFHL, G-GIQW, G-OFHL

Savoia 9th June 2011 05:39

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Shane; welcome to Rotorheads and thanks for this information which is much appreciated.

Your list mirrors that of fellow-Rotorhead and Medal of Appreciation winner ;) Ahh de Havilland's in post #374 on page 19 of The Nostalgia Thread.


Ahh de Havilland wrote; A list of the DdeF helicopter fleet:

EI-AVK/G-ASLO Brantley B2 - 9.63-10.75
EI-ARU Brantley 305 - 8.67-1.68
EI-ASW JetRanger - 4.68-12.68
EI-ATY Hughes 500 - 5.69-1.72
EI-AVN Hughes 500 - 2.72-7.93
EI-AWA JetRanger - 12.72-3.85
EI-BPM AS350B 4.85-6.93
But, I'm afraid that I'm still in a kerfuffle over Denis' Brantly 305 EI-ARU and whether this was ever entered on the UK register. One photographer had attributed Ferranti's 305 to G-ATUS (aka Atticus) but which in fact seems to have been the personal transport of Sir Quinton Hazell (see previous page). In your record you state that EI-ARU may have been G-AYTB but .. the record shows AYTB as being Rallye Club fixed wing!

What we have:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...252520City.jpg
EI-AVN

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-d...and%252529.jpg
EI-ASW

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...2525201982.jpg
EI-AWA

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-u...ben%252529.jpg
EI-BPM

What we don't have:

EI-AVK Brantly B2
EI-ARU Brantly 305
EI-ATY Hughes 500

But .. we are making progress given that when this thread started we had none of the above so our thanks to all have assisted.

I should mention that the information we are compiling on 'other' members of the Ferranti family (such as Denis, Basil and Mark) shall form a separate section of the site which mainly focuses on Sebastian de Ferranti and Ferranti Helicopters.

Since we are addressing Irish registered aircraft today can I put out another humble request for any information which may lead us to an image of Mohammed Al Fayed's first Bell 206 (G-BAKX) supplied and managed by Ferranti Helicopters, sold to Roy Flood of Castle Motors and from there to Eire where she was bought by Dublin lawyer Brendan O'Mahony. We are looking for any image of G-BAKX when she was painted in the livery (below) but wearing her UK registration. The white circle would have been detailed with a blue 'F' denoting 'Fayed'. EI-BHI recently featured on The Nostalgia Thread.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z...52520Small.jpg
Bell 206 EI-BHI belonging to Brendan O'Mahony formerly owned by Roy Flood and Mohammed Al Fayed

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K...%252520TYM.png

Hofmeister 9th June 2011 12:40

FERRANTI BO105 PICs
 
Sav

Earlier in the thread you posted several pictures of Pope John Pauls visit to the UK, specifically pictures of him meeting/greeting BCal helicopter crews. In searching the web for some older pictures of ex Ferranti Bo105s I came across this web-site dedicated to the memories of ex BCal staff.

BCal Reunited

A request here may illicit more information on the names of individuals in the photos. Moreover, there are two pictures of what I believe are ex Ferranti BO105s on the same website........

BCal G-BATB

BCal G-BFYA

Hope this helps further.

Best Regards

Hofmeister

Shane101 9th June 2011 16:49

Brantly
 
Oops just checked there its G-ATYB, my mistake

Yep I have a pic of EI-ATY, ill upload it as soon as I figure out how flickr works

Shane101 9th June 2011 16:52

G-BAKX
 
I have a black and white copy of the add from Flight Magazine of G-BAKX actually, before it was sold to Ireland ill dig that out too

Shane101 9th June 2011 23:20

Ei-bpm ei aty ei-avn
 
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5242511_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._8225269_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._8194016_n.jpg

Ant T 10th June 2011 02:07

Hi there,
My Dad (Mike Tuson) was Denis's helicopter pilot for a few years in the mid-1970's. EI-ATY was used a lot up on the estate at Meoble (Loch Morar) for taking the deer stalking parties up into the hills and underslinging the days kill back. I spent a couple of holidays there at the age of 15 or 16 and had my first flight in a helicopter there (in ATY) with Dad. Also had a flight in the Jetranger from Massbrook, Denis's house in Co.Mayo, down to Galway (landed at the same spot as EI-AVN in Savoia’s post#68 I believe) and on down to Shannon before heading back to Massbrook. Decided that it looked a fun way to earn a living.
I have now been flying for a living for 25 years - Bell 47, S61, AS332L, BN2 (Islander), DHC6 (Twin Otter), DHC7 (Dash 7) and now back on the S61.


As Shane101 said, EI-ATY became G-HSKY, and in 1986, while I was on my CPL course at Redhill, it was involved in a mid-air collision with a Bristow Bell 47 G-AXKO flown by Mark Wake. Everyone survived that incident. (Sadly, Mark later died in the S76 accident off Yarmouth)
Regards,
Ant Tuson


Nigel Osborn 10th June 2011 04:31

Hi Ant,

I replaced your Father at Dennis's & by total co-incidence I believe he replaced me at Gulf Helicopters. At least that is what Dennis told me.
I think I also met your Father in the Navy; what's he doing now?

Ant T 10th June 2011 16:40

Dad is enjoying his retirement in Hawick, Scotland.

I have PM'd you with more.......

CharlieOneSix 10th June 2011 17:42

Nigel - Mike wrote a very enjoyable book about his life as a helicopter pilot - "A Mild Form of Insanity". One copy left in the river related UK online store.....

Savoia 11th June 2011 18:18

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C16: Thanks for the information on Paddy's Puma incident. Most sad. Thankfully no lives lost.

Hof: Many thanks for the BCal links. We've been in touch with both the BCal tribute sites and will maintain liaison with them in the hope of gleaning further details. Regarding BFYA, she seems to have come full circle in that since the beginning of the year she has gone from being registered with Sterling Helicopters at Norwich to being listed with Alan Mann Aviation at Shoreham (the politics of which I think was discussed on another thread).

Shane: Fantastic images representing an important contribution to the material covering Denis' fleet. Thank you. One of Denis' 500's was an 'M' model (ex-military) and I am guessing that it was ATY based on the information I was once given suggesting that the military version of the 500C had a wider rear passenger 'skylight' than its civilian counterpart as well as a slightly different shape of door window.

Ant: 'Antonio', welcome to Rotorheads. We share something in common in that our introduction to rotary-wing flight came by way of the Ferranti family. I also went on to fly commercially (for about a decade) until 'other duties' called! I have sent you a PM re: your father's tenure with Denis. Please forgive me for asking what may seem obvious to most but .. are yoy flying 61's ex-ABZ? I didn't think they were being used any more in the North Sea.

TRC 11th June 2011 18:27


Denis's ... estate at Meoble (Loch Morar)
I've got some photos of the helicopter 'hangar' at that estate that I took on my only - and memorable - visit there. I'll have to look them out. The story of which is documented somewhere on this or the AMH thread.

Savoia 11th June 2011 19:36

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TRC wrote: I spent about ten days at Dennis' hunting lodge in Scotland. Had to change the fuel tank in the 206 he had there.

It took that long because the 206 was a Bell and the tank was for an Agusta/Bell (or the other way around, can't remember), and the bolts for all the fittings were too short.

An interesting time.....
Do you happen to remember which of the 206's it was and .. did old man Ferranti offer you a bottle of his finest malt Whisky to spur your efforts!

Ant T 11th June 2011 21:39

Savoia -
In answer to your question above, although my home is Aberdeen, I am flying the S61 on the military support contract in the Falkland Islands.

Savoia 11th June 2011 22:14

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Ant: That is most interesting.

If it doesn't breach the protocols of your contract then please post a couple of shots of the old girl and, if you can manage it, a couple of lines regarding life/flying in the Falklands.

My godfather was based for a short while on South Georgia Island in the late 50's early 60's when he served as Chief Pilot for Christian Salvesen flying S55's on whaling support operations in the Antarctic.


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