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GRIFO1978 27th September 2011 10:59

Is reducing the noise the only reason for installing the dampers on idraulic system nr.2?

Takan Inchovit 27th September 2011 19:53

I believe so.

alouette 7th October 2011 23:21

Bell 412 main transmission dry run capabilities
 
I look for an official document outlining the dry run capabilities for main transmissions of Bell 412s. Information is appreciated. Thanks.


Cheers,


Alouette:ok:

industry insider 8th October 2011 01:57

You won't find a document as the 412 was certified before dry run was a requirement. The C box would not last long without oil.

I would say loss of MGB oil pressure = land or ditch immediately.

Troglodita 8th October 2011 06:04

412 txmsn
 

I would say loss of MGB oil pressure = land or ditch immediately.
If not sooner:}

Trog

alouette 8th October 2011 09:08

Thanks, Trogs.:ok:

maeroda 8th October 2011 15:16

Right!
Land/ditch immediately!

Anyways no written document you will find about the 412 MGB run dry capability although my maintenance manager told me once he saw a run dry unofficial bench test in Agusta's plant in mid '80; they cranked up the MGB with the rotor installed at operative RPM for a wile, than untied the drain plug letting go all the oil down wile continuing cranking.
The MGB went off after 50 minutes after all the oil have been spilled away.
Consider it was an hangar testing on a inoperative fuselage without any air cooling and moderate blade pitch, he told me.

No infos about CBOX strength without oil inside it.

Cheers

maeroda

The Sultan 8th October 2011 22:51

412 Oil Loss
 
One last year flew 9 minutes to a safe beach landing. Once the failed line was replaced and oil put in the transmission it returned to base for detailed inspection.

So bottom line at least as good as a S-92.

The Sultan

alouette 8th October 2011 23:26

@ maeroda, the sultan... Thanks for the additional info.:ok:

GRIFO1978 16th November 2011 12:32

AB412 PERFORMANCE / CATEGORY RATE
 
Hi!
According of flight manual and your opinion, what performance class and category is rated AB412?
Maybe performance class 2 category A?

JimL 16th November 2011 13:03

It is certificated in Category A and can therefore be operated in Performance Classes 1, 2 and 3.

Jim

Jet Ranger 16th November 2011 13:04

Yes cat. A , was perf class 2.
I think last year Bell certified it for perf. class 1.

maeroda 16th November 2011 17:02

Wait....and balance!:}

Wich type of B412?
AB412 standards & AB412SP's had a different CAT A certification compared to AB412EP's; the first ones had two kinds of T/O profiles (cat A vertical & cat A normal), slightly different from cat A helipad, elevated helipad and runway T/Offs from EP's manuals.

Anyways AB412EP are certified in CAT A, fulfilling JAR/EASA performance class 1,2 (3 of course).
In some cases it is certified in PC2 with exposure time at MTOW higher than standard PC2.

cheers

mohamed hedayah 3rd December 2011 12:59

tks a loot about these great information
me Mohamed from Egypt mechanical engineer in 412, 2 years experience
i want make acontact with you to learn from your experience.
bye
best guard.

bigsquirrel 29th December 2011 01:36

Bell 412EP Flash cards
 
Hi guys, does anyone know where I could purchase, download the above flash cards, mainly interested in the Emergency procedures.

Cheers

BS

before landing check list 29th December 2011 03:36

Back in the day (1982) we made our own from index cards and the -10. (think operators manual) but then again we made our own skateboards from old skates nailed to a 2x4 also.....damn I am getting old.

trackdirect 21st January 2012 21:39

AUX TANK
 
I'm trying to track down a right hand aux tank for a Bell412EP (84 GAL)
Part number 205-062-606-226.
If anyone has one lying around in their shed that they don't want please PM me

threesix 22nd January 2012 14:45

auto rpm check
 
hey good eve, anybody here who can educate me regarding the procedures on autorpm check? i am just confused on how to use the two charts, density and pressure altitude, how to use the charts, etc? please help me

Torquelimited 23rd January 2012 02:47

Set 29.92 inches (1013 mb) on the altimeter, climb 2000 ft AGL, adjust airspeed to 65 knots, lower collective to full down, roll throttles to idle stops, maintain aircraft stable at 65 knots with collective full down, note fuel onboard, record outside air temperature, indicated altitude (pressure altitude) and indicated rotor rpm as you pass through 1000 feet above ground - perform a power recovery and return to base.

On the density chart locate recorded outside air temperature then run a vertical line from there up to the pressure altitude recorded at 1000 ft above ground then run a horizontal line left to read the resulting density altitude.

On the autorotation chart locate the density altitude value on the left side of the chart then run a horizontal line right to the weight the helicopter was at the time the auto rotation rotor rpm was recorded, then run a line straight down to find the required autorotation rotor rpm.

threesix 30th January 2012 09:12

hello everybody!! anybody here who can teach me on how to properly conduct the auto rpm check of bell 412? I mean step by step on how to perform it using the charts in order to get the target RPM. thanks


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