Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 11268334)
No, it shouldn't! We don't need yet more regulation just to protect people who cannot be bothered to pay attention to their surroundings.
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Originally Posted by havick
(Post 11268274)
Which helipad was it? If it’s the one I’m thinking of then my experience there wasn’t so great when I dropped in a couple months ago.
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Originally Posted by helihub
(Post 11268355)
and you don't know
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An interesting and tragic thread.
I have read reports that the young man got out of the aircraft and immediately walked towards the spinning tail rotor. Not credible in my opinion. I have read (many) reports that he left the helicopter, went to the terminal, then ran back for a selfie whilst people were telling him not to ( lots of corroboration of this). Absolutely believable of a rich young kid. Regardless, the fact is that no law can fully legislate for stupidity, ignorance, or ego. Given the subject’s background I suspect he thought he knew better, ignored the warnings from the ‘plebs, and got the inevitable result. In fact I bet that is what happened. Do I know that for a fact? No, I was not there. But I bet I am right. |
I got a job as a helicopter ops assistant at the Open at Turnberry a good few years ago. There were about 10 of us and 5 landing pads. As there was a fast turn around of flights the rotors were not stopped. Our jobs were to open the doors once the chopper had landed and guide the pax away from the rear rotor and to the front of the bird. Amazing the number of people who exited and immediately tried to walk backwards towards the tail rotor. I thought it was a legal requirement to have operators to carry out the duties we did if the rotor was still running. Some reports state he ran back from the terminall to take a selfie.
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Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 11268368)
Based on what I got from the report, he walked into the tail rotor, it did not swing around and hit him. He's 22, not 12.
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Originally Posted by Jim59
(Post 11268280)
Why don't they fit safety guards around the tail fan to prevent such accidents? Helicopters often embark/disembark passengers with rotors revolving so are a greater risk to passengesr than most fixed wing aircraft.
It's very difficult to determine an engineering fix for a rare situation where the fix doesn't have its own risks. The full solution would be NOTAR, but I expect that has cost/performance issues vs tail rotors. So horrible for the family and the helicopter operators. I think there have been far more people injured or killed by fixed wing propeller accidents - but that might simply be the relative proportion of fixed wing to rotary wing. |
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There is a safe zone to exit a rotors running Helo (bar a Wokka and that is a military event). The operator is at fault from not controlling the idiot in the safety zones of the airframe. But if he forced himselt into the danger zones of a rotary, the darwin law is applied, The daily mail should report the objective points that the bloke was stupid and paid the consequence of being a complete dick.
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[QUOTE=ericferret;11268146]
Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 11267960)
You can't TELL a milennial anything, and taking a selfie for Instagram is far more important than listening to anything the pilot said.
" No way they could charge the pilot for somebody else's stupidity." It's Greece. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-flip-a-switch |
Used to operate into a casino back in the seventies where there was no ground handling staff, pax were off loaded/on loaded by the pilot after locking down the controls, engine at idle, driving a 206 one day helping a pax out of the left rear seat and saw a chap walking towards the aircraft from the six o'clock position directly towards the tail rotor, ran and stopped him about six feet from the guillotine.
Another occasion at the same pad saw a woman walk from the seven o'clock position of a running Bell 47, duck under the tail boom forward of the tail rotor to talk to the pilot, she made it in one piece. |
Bullethead beat me to it....that is some "Soldier Humor" in the day.
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It's said that no safety instructions were given to the pax upon landing and they exited the 407 by themselves. None had reached the lounge when it happened. The deceased went to the rear of the aircraft on his own as the others shouted for him to stop.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...2f19c3790c1689 It would be an interesting discussion about shrouded tail rotors or ducted anti-torque systems being mandated for much-increased safety, but I guess it does not happen often enough like car accidents do to force such a thing. And as someone else stated, airplanes have much more riskier placements of open propellers near doors. Can there be any way of integrating a very tiny, bright LED light into the tip of tail rotor rotor blades, lowered by a similarly tiny battery perhaps? I remember seeing a few photos of helicopters at night with lights in their blades. It may help make the spinning disc more visually evident. And hopefully not upset any balance. |
There are persistence of vision (POV) video displays that use a linear array of LEDs that light the entire circular path they take. It would be (technology wise) easy to add this to the rotor to display a "STAY BACK" or other messages along with video clips of possible results, but that may not be enough if the approach angle is small enough. The tough part is ensuring they all stay in place during rain, bugs, light hail, cold weather, hot weather, and whatever insults a ground crew might bring in cleaning the unit. All the display would require is a power supply through a slip ring, though the wiring to the blade(s) does have to follow the linkage to the blades - the controller and drive electronics would be about 1 ounce and a few grams for the LEDs. I love mixed units. It might even be possible to build a magneto setup so that no slip ring would be required and just run automatically when the tail rotor turns.
Still, people get in the news for falling into a canyon when they slip from top edge of the guard rail or going past multiple "EMPLOYEES ONLY" signs to pet the lions, so that seems like a lot of effort for the rare payout Maybe a pre-flight video showing passengers what happens to a pumpkin tossed into a running tail rotor? Where's Myth Busters when you need them? |
[QUOTE=Diff Tail Shim;11268436]
Originally Posted by ericferret
(Post 11268146)
Alan Irwin never set the switch or failed to reset it. I did work with the guy that did touch it.
Mind you this is just my xenophobia kicking in. |
The blame game has started....
Interesting that the blame game has already started with the Greek side briefing the media on their version of events. These tragedies are never helped by the blame culture of a legal system that initiates criminal charges at the outset. It has a chilling effect on an effective and independent safety investigation. There are plenty of well regarded detailed studies that demonstrate that a regulatory safety culture better promotes aviation safety rather than a blame culture. For the armchair cynics amongst the posters, remember that two parents have lost their son.
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Amazing how many people still just throw their assumptions into the ring based off of nearly zero credible evidence other than basic and sometimes useless news outlets.
There’s a lot in this community that I’m glad haven’t ever thought of being an aviation accident investigator, considering the immediate bias they appear to be susceptible to. |
Originally Posted by Winnerhofer
(Post 11268279)
This is why Fenestron should be mandatory for all rotors.
I never fail to be surprised by our willingness as a species to misdirect the way to address a problem. |
In general, ( not referring to this incident ) you can't stop people from endangering themselves.
Warning signs and safety briefings will be ignored. Physical barriers will be climbed over or circumnavigated. Just look at the way some people drive cars...... |
Originally Posted by LeftBlank
(Post 11268176)
If anything can be guessed at, it could have been that he possibly went back to take a photo of his parents landing in the second helicopter or to watch them.
A young man lost his life tragically. One day his family and friends might read some of the posts on here. Please show a bit of respect. |
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