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nonsense 10th Aug 2022 18:04


Originally Posted by Robbiee (Post 11276026)
When I lived in Escondido, I would often see women with small children (and even babies in strollers) crossing in the middle of the very wide (and very busy street) instead of using the crosswalk at the light less than fifty yards away.

People are gonna do what they're gonna do.

A few weeks ago in Saigon, hardly a paragon of OH&S, there was a fence down the middle of the road to stop people crossing at the wrong locations:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....33615a11d6.png


The traffic was far busier than shown here in May 2019 too; the number of cars in Saigon is growing incredibly fast.

Solutions are out there.

Removing the hazard is far more effective than telling people not to touch it/walk into it/crash into it.

Robbiee 10th Aug 2022 18:18


Originally Posted by nonsense (Post 11276142)
A few weeks ago in Saigon, hardly a paragon of OH&S, there was a fence down the middle of the road to stop people crossing at the wrong locations:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....33615a11d6.png


The traffic was far busier than shown here in May 2019 too; the number of cars in Saigon is growing incredibly fast.

Solutions are out there.

Removing the hazard is far more effective than telling people not to touch it/walk into it/crash into it.

Fences don't work in places I've experienced "family j-walking", as they are in business areas where cars and delivery trucks have to make left turns periodically down the entire street.

,...but why should we have to come up with "solutions" for the people who don't have what used to be called "common sense""?

Its like most cars these days that they think have to yell at us every three minutes if we don't put on our seat belt. Once is enough. If I'm not wearing it after that, its because I choose not to!

DuncanDoenitz 10th Aug 2022 20:06


Originally Posted by nonsense (Post 11276142)
A few weeks ago in Saigon, hardly a paragon of OH&S, there was a fence down the middle of the road to stop people crossing at the wrong locations:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....33615a11d6.png


The traffic was far busier than shown here in May 2019 too; the number of cars in Saigon is growing incredibly fast.

Solutions are out there.

Removing the hazard is far more effective than telling people not to touch it/walk into it/crash into it.

So what solution you are proposing; just land the helicopter beside the gap in the fence? No hazard there then.

Bell_ringer 11th Aug 2022 05:28


Originally Posted by nonsense (Post 11276142)
A few weeks ago in Saigon, hardly a paragon of OH&S, there was a fence down the middle of the road to stop people crossing at the wrong locations:

Solutions are out there.

Removing the hazard is far more effective than telling people not to touch it/walk into it/crash into it.

Over here, with wired fences on either side of freeway and a large cement barrier down the middle of 6 (or more) lanes, and a pedestrian bridge a short hop away, holes are cut into the fence and the cement barrier scaled.
Needless to say many impressions are left in windscreens.
A human being's desire to do what they do will never be stopped by a fence, nor any "solution to the problem". It will dissuade many, but not all.
If human behaviour could be solved there would be no accidents, you can only try, but those that like sticking warning labels on everything can attest to the futility.


Impress to inflate 11th Aug 2022 08:00

As the father of three daughters, late teens to mid twenties, the "Selfie" is the MOST important thing in the world. You can't tell a millennial anything, they know it all. They will take photos of everything from what they are drinking and eating to what they are wearing. It's the disease of the millennial that have to Abe up-loaded onto to facetwatter

SWBKCB 11th Aug 2022 08:26

Not a helicopter pilot, but I've been around them. They are noisy, windy things when the rotors are turning. Serious question - how difficult is it to not notice a turning tail rotor? Presumably still potentially deadly when turning very slowly, could that be the case here?

DuncanDoenitz 11th Aug 2022 08:49

They never turn "very slowly", except for a transitional second or two while starting or stopping. They are either stopped, or they are turning very, very fast.

BR36 11th Aug 2022 17:03


Originally Posted by Impress to inflate (Post 11276386)
As the father of three daughters, late teens to mid twenties, the "Selfie" is the MOST important thing in the world. You can't tell a millennial anything, they know it all. They will take photos of everything from what they are drinking and eating to what they are wearing. It's the disease of the millennial that have to Abe up-loaded onto to facetwatter

What’s the relevance of ‘selfie culture’?

pilotmike 11th Aug 2022 18:05


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11276401)
Not a helicopter pilot, but I've been around them. They are noisy, windy things

We don't all belch and fart continuously.

Lonewolf_50 11th Aug 2022 21:17


Originally Posted by BR36 (Post 11276686)
What’s the relevance of ‘selfie culture’?

That was something mentioned earlier in the thread, tied to various speculation over
'Why did the young man, upon reached the destination as a passenger, and having exited and moved away from the helicopter, then to back to the helicopter?"
If you are interested, might want to go back to the top of the thread and work your way down.

Originally Posted by one of the posts on page 1
The newspaper report i read, said that they were escorted to the arrivals lounge, but he then turned and ran back holding his phone for a call/selfie.

That was later challenged as various other bits of information came dripping in.

212man 11th Aug 2022 22:32


What’s the relevance of ‘selfie culture’?
It’s similar to “can’t be bothered to read earlier posts” culture.

Uplinker 12th Aug 2022 07:30


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11276401)
..........Serious question - how difficult is it to not notice a turning tail rotor? Presumably still potentially deadly when turning very slowly, could that be the case here?

The propellor blades of a Cessna 152, a Dash 8 and a helicopter tail rotor etc cannot be seen when they are turning, even at idle; they disappear. Hence, sadly, sometimes people - even very experienced pilots - run through propellors and tail rotors. A tail rotor is edge-on to an exiting passenger, so even more invisible.

It is easy to get disorientated near a machine that is making an enormous amount of noise. Easy to get confused as you exit and think you are running forwards but run towards the rear instead, and with the huge onslaught of noise, you cannot hear anyone's shouted warnings. People instinctively know that it is safer to run behind a car than in front of one, so maybe instinct takes over and they go the wrong way from a helicopter despite what they may have been briefed to do.

Ground crews around commercial airliners will not approach an aircraft if its beacon is flashing, nor will the doors be opened until the engines have been safely shut down. Same ought to apply to helicopters. Because of the cool-down time required for helicopter engines, some folk literally can't wait for them to stop.

BR36 12th Aug 2022 13:11


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11276848)
It’s similar to “can’t be bothered to read earlier posts” culture.

On the contrary, I’ve read and followed this thread from start to finish and was aware of the original selfie claim👍. I posted earlier (#154) about that rumour/story having been retracted by the authorities, hence my question (which in hindsight probably looks like more of a challenge than a question) as to why reference to that false story had been resurrected.

Apologies if I wasn’t clear with that question, it was poorly worded. I assumed others would have read the thread and seen #154 before resurrecting the selfie reference.

Mornings minion 7th Nov 2023 13:31


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 11268128)
Reminds me of the Australian golfer Jack Newton who was seriously injured when he walked into a propeller. People in the golf club were wondering if he got a free drop!

Yeah, remember the 'joke' going around at the time:
Q. What's gold and goes around at 100mph?
A. Jack Newton's watch.

Ascend Charlie 7th Nov 2023 20:32

Q: What force is required to stop a propellor?
A: One Newton

Q: What is required to stop a propellor?
A: A strong arm, a good eye, and a lot of guts.

My friends were on night shift 2 hangars away from the incident.

prickly 8th Nov 2023 06:19


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 11535117)
Q: What force is required to stop a propellor?
A: One Newton

Q: What is required to stop a propellor?
A: A strong arm, a good eye, and a lot of guts.

My friends were on night shift 2 hangars away from the incident.

Is this what Pprune has become, a place for wannabes, never were-s, and unfulfilled tossers without a life.

This a joke, ......!

Ascend Charlie 8th Nov 2023 10:08

Don't forget that it's also a place for those who choose to be offended on behalf of other people.

Lonewolf_50 8th Nov 2023 19:54


Originally Posted by prickly (Post 11535285)
This a joke,

I counted two jokes in Ascend Charlie's post. :p
As far back as I can remember, gallows humor has always been a part of pilot culture.

Bksmithca 8th Nov 2023 21:52


Originally Posted by prickly (Post 11535285)
Is this what Pprune has become, a place for wannabes, never were-s, and unfulfilled tossers without a life.

This a joke, ......!

So this post has been running for over a year and Now your upset because some standard industry jokes.

megan 9th Nov 2023 05:44

Well, his name is prickly, could much more be really expected?


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