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Old 26th Jul 2022, 10:16
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22 year old killed by tail rotor

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...de-Greece.html

As usual much speculation by the Daily Mail.

A wealthy young Briton horrifically killed in a helicopter accident in Athens may have been trying to take a selfie when he was struck by the aircraft's tail rotor, Greek media have reported.

Former public schoolboy Jack Fenton, 22, was said to have been using his mobile phone at the time of the accident last night on a private helipad near the Greek capital.

The Oxford Brookes university student, who went to the £36,000-a-year Sutton Valence boarding school in Maidstone, Kent, reportedly walked behind the Bell 407 helicopter while its engines were still engaged at 6.20pm yesterday.

Emergency services were called to the private heliport on the outskirts of Athens but the victim is thought to have been killed almost instantly by the high-speed rotor.

Investigators are probing the circumstances of the accident but the pilot could face manslaughter charges if he told the passengers to exit the helicopter before the engine and propellers had stopped.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 10:21
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Heads are going to roll for this one..
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 10:53
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You can't TELL a milennial anything, and taking a selfie for Instagram is far more important than listening to anything the pilot said.

I challenge any pilot to stop some goose from getting out, especially from the left rear door, while the engine is running on the ground. No way they could charge the pilot for somebody else's stupidity. Except maybe in Murrica, where the lawyers would think of some way to do it.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 11:05
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer View Post
Heads are going to roll for this one..
That's wicked !
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 11:47
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Ascend Charlie - I challenge any pilot to stop some goose from getting out, especially from the left rear door, while the engine is running on the ground. No way they could charge the pilot for somebody else's stupidity.
My dad flew for Gulf Helicopters between 78 and 93. During that time he was on a job in Oman, flying geologists with a B206 up in the mountains. Despite comprehensive safety briefings, one of his passengers did the same thing, and was killed instantly. Dad was arrested and kept under house (hotel) arrest for about a month. The case went to court, but after some deliberation, he was found not to have been to blame and was released.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 12:45
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
You can't TELL a milennial anything, and taking a selfie for Instagram is far more important than listening to anything the pilot said.

I challenge any pilot to stop some goose from getting out, especially from the left rear door, while the engine is running on the ground. No way they could charge the pilot for somebody else's stupidity. Except maybe in Murrica, where the lawyers would think of some way to do it.
Young people making mistakes, sometimes fatal, has been happening since the dawn of time; generally old people should have learned enough to know better, yet somehow they still manage it, too.
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Originally Posted by alfaman View Post
Young people making mistakes, sometimes fatal, has been happening since the dawn of time; generally old people should have learned enough to know better, yet somehow they still manage it, too.
And yet the selfie brigade have managed to find new and creative ways to shuffle off their mortal coil, in search of social media adulation and stardom.
Darwin would be pleased.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 13:01
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I would have thought a little more compassion would have been appropriate. A tragic event for a 22 year old boy with his life ahead of him regardless of wealth or ‘taking a selfie’. No empathy for the family losing their son, some of the comments are quite sickening. Hey good ol’ PPRuNe whereby you can say anything but would never dare face to face.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 13:04
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Many companies I've used have a ground crew member there to direct pax in the right direction as they disembark, all too many times I've seen people get out and walk towards the rear only to be pointed in the right direction.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 13:12
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Long time lurker here, came to see if this had come up on the forums.
Some of the media reports claim that investigations are focused on “why he exited the helicopter while the rotors were still spinning”. That’s normal isn’t it?
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 13:38
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
You can't TELL a milennial anything, and taking a selfie for Instagram is far more important than listening to anything the pilot said.

I challenge any pilot to stop some goose from getting out, especially from the left rear door, while the engine is running on the ground. No way they could charge the pilot for somebody else's stupidity. Except maybe in Murrica, where the lawyers would think of some way to do it.
Probably can’t tell your generation anything either, like the fact that Millenials were born up to 1996 so this poor lad would have been Gen Z. Not that his generation has anything to do with what’s happened to him.

Maybe don’t jump on the speculative bandwagon when there’s absolutely no evidence of anyone going for a selfie, that’s just crap journalism there to ruffle the feathers of people like yourself.

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Old 26th Jul 2022, 14:01
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It’s difficult to be 100% certain of preventing passengers (or even staff) from having a brain fade moment. I have suffered a few heart stopping moments, thankfully in those cases without any injury to the persons involved, because they completely ignored the safety brief. They were all otherwise seemingly intelligent people but in the heat of the moment they did very silly things.

I won’t go into what the potentially more serious incidents involved but a lesser one involved a certain Lord Mayor, who was specifically briefed not to touch the door handles at any time and to stay strapped in until the rotors stopped, whereupon I would get out and open the doors and let him out. Although he nodded that he understood his brief before takeoff, after landing fifteen minutes later, he instead pulled the door jettison handle as soon as I closed the throttle, pushed the door off its hinges (whereupon it clattered onto the skid and the ground) unstrapped and climbed out with the rotors turning and began putting on his jacket. Then he got into his chauffeur driven limo and went on his way as if it were a completely normal thing to do. I was left to deal with a slightly bent aircraft but at least no-one was injured.

The one highlighted by the OP is a tragic case, I sympathise to all directly involved and to his family.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 14:16
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Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme View Post
Many companies I've used have a ground crew member there to direct pax in the right direction as they disembark, all too many times I've seen people get out and walk towards the rear only to be pointed in the right direction.
The newspaper report i read, said that they were escorted to the arrivals lounge, but he then turned and ran back holding his phone for a call/selfie.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 14:37
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3 arrests according to BBCIt is believed Jack Fenton, from Kent, had just disembarked from the Bell 407 aircraft in Athens.

Greek police arrested two pilots and a member of the ground crew in connection with the 22-year-old's death. They are facing charges of negligent homicide.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 15:14
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Reminds me of the Australian golfer Jack Newton who was seriously injured when he walked into a propeller. People in the golf club were wondering if he got a free drop!
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 15:15
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The three arrested were released by the prosecutor orders without any charges until the investigation completes. I have to wait until Saturday to understand how the NTSB investigation will impact the one done by the police. The local police union president explained police treats the incident as if it were a traffic accident - obviously he is only good at asking salary and allowance increase for the police so he might have made an irrelevant comment.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 16:05
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[QUOTE=Ascend Charlie;11267960]You can't TELL a milennial anything, and taking a selfie for Instagram is far more important than listening to anything the pilot said.

" No way they could charge the pilot for somebody else's stupidity."

It's Greece.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-flip-a-switch
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 16:30
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People do stupid things without thinking, or through misunderstanding.

Years ago having trained troops on both the Puma and Chinook on the same day we had an incident. On the Chinook it was a case of only exit to the rear between the 4 and 8 o’clock. On the Puma it was only exit between the 10 and 2 o’clock……. Shortly afterwards I, on the Puma had a soldier follow the orders for the Chinook and ran straight back and under the tail rotor which sliced straight through the camouflage on his helmet, but luckily not his head. A taller man would have been hit.

Later on, we had a Major exit the aircraft at night from 150ft taking the vertical route down. I guess he didn’t mean to do that either.

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Old 26th Jul 2022, 16:41
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It’s now very much on the top news agenda on my BBC News app, whilst saddened I neither feel particularly angry or aggrieved. In fact, nor surprised.

I feel for the crew and all involved in having to witness and deal with this also.

I just hope all involved had given the correct warnings and this will be a fatality through misadventure, i expect it will be and they are supported moving forward.

I am under no doubt that a 22yr old set up lad felt entitled enough to defy instruction and back himself into a still spinning tail rotor blade in order to go live on IG etc….

Having trying to deal with similar individuals myself…..the doctors students class (won’t name the uni) waiving their wangers out of the glass of my coach on the ring road round Brussels…..whilst tragic boys will be boys….
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 17:03
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It only seems to us passengers do things crazy because we know the dangers. They do not or they often forget. It is unlikely we’ll ever know why he went towards the tail rotor but from the reports so far it would be unlikely it was for a selfie. If anything can be guessed at, it could have been that he possibly went back to take a photo of his parents landing in the second helicopter or to watch them.
A young man lost his life tragically. One day his family and friends might read some of the posts on here. Please show a bit of respect.
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