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PPRuNeUser0211 20th Apr 2021 12:52


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 11030882)
Indeed. I was really surprised that it could be done at all. That being said not sure what actual use future developments will have. This is very much on the edge of practical use IMHO

Practical use on earth I'd suggest is limited (though there's always some trickle across, but it's never the obvious stuff!). However, in terms of planetary exploration it's a pretty big deal.

A long time friend works in that area and just one of their ideas is if you need small samples over a wide area, a sample retrieval system attached to the bottom of an autonomous helicopter that goes and fetches, come home, recharges and dumps the sample, then goes and does it again, allows them to cover huge amounts of territory by comparison to previous vehicles. To put this into context, Opportunity drove 45 or so kilometers in 14 and half years (2004-2018).

megan 21st Apr 2021 02:07

One of the uses given by local news is to use the helo to reconnoiter for interesting sites that the rover may then visit, save time and mileage on the rover wandering somewhat randomly looking for something worthwhile.

jimf671 14th Dec 2021 00:14

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...everance-nasa?

Ant T 10th Sep 2022 20:45

After more than 18 months on Mars, still active. A flight on 6th Sept. lasting 56 seconds, and 97 meters.
31st sortie - not bad for a “proof-of-concept” trial !


https://www.space.com/mars-helicopte...ht-river-delta

meleagertoo 11th Sep 2022 13:18

AS ever yet another of NASA's proof of concept vehicles vastly outperforming it's published life and capability.
Amazing stuff.

mnttech 9th Nov 2023 12:52

As of 9 Nov 23 Completing 118.8 flying minutes, covering 9.3 miles (14.9 km), and reaching altitudes as high as 78.7 ft (24.0 m), 66 flights
Space Ingenuity

mnttech 26th Jan 2024 16:51

Made it all the way to Flight 72 before damage during a landing ended the mission

ShyTorque 26th Jan 2024 17:46

They've done amazingly well with it. An ex colleague of mine wrote his r/c helicopter off ground taxying it for its first ever takeoff and he was standing only a few yards away from it!

FakePilot 26th Jan 2024 19:47

So..... Air is 1/140 earth sea level but gravity is 1/3. Mach 1 isn't that fast at all. So it seems rotors wouldn't work at first thought. Hmmm, does it hover? In order to lift, the engine must produce enough HP to accelerate up at 1G (martian) . Then the rotors must convert rotational HP to moving air HP. My first guess would be really big rotors but then Mach 1 comes into play.
Seems like it wouldn't add up.

skadi 27th Jan 2024 10:13


Originally Posted by FakePilot (Post 11584237)
My first guess would be really big rotors but then Mach 1 comes into play.
Seems like it wouldn't add up.

Blade tip speed was <0,7 Mach. So no problem. JPL already tested the rotor for the next Mars helicopter with speeds up to 0,96 Mach

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenuity_(helicopter)

skadi

casper64 27th Jan 2024 17:06

Wondering if they have tried or will try to fly it with that damage?

skadi 27th Jan 2024 17:30


Originally Posted by casper64 (Post 11584738)
Wondering if they have tried or will try to fly it with that damage?

That would propably destroy Inguenity, with the loss of those big parts of the blade(s) the vibrations will exeed the limits for a safe flight and I am sure the produced lift won't be enough anyway.

skadi

Thirsty 27th Jan 2024 17:44

You need to keep it intact for Elon's museum.

mickjoebill 28th Jan 2024 12:07

If an aircraft is "grounded" on earth it is "???" on Mars..

jolihokistix 28th Jan 2024 12:23

A slim flexible strengthening rim might have been in order, not only to protect Martian locals from the naked blades.

judyjudy 28th Jan 2024 13:04


Originally Posted by mickjoebill (Post 11585195)
If an aircraft is "grounded" on earth it is "???" on Mars..

Don’t they have ground on Mars?


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