Helicopters have flight manuals The only reliable answer is to comply with it Automotive Diesel Oil DCEA/21 C - VVF 800 DF2 TS.10.003 F54 Not to be used at OAT below -5° C - VVF 800 DF1 Not to be used at OAT below - 15°C - VVF 800 DFA F56 Not to be used at OAT below - 15°C Gasoil O 7120 STM MIL-F-16884 DEF 2402 (47/0 DIESO) F75 Not to be used at OAT below -5°C Gasoil 20 7120STM DEF 2402 (47/20 DIESO) F76 Not to be used at OAT below 0°C Illuminating Oil DCEA/11C VV-K211 DEF 2403 F58 Not to be used at OAT below - 15°C |
Given the length of the fuel hose I'm thinking their station has been used before as I can't see a need for a fifty foot fuel hose at a normal service station https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3985239333.jpg |
Here's the Queensland AW139 filling with diesel at Belyando Crossing, west of Moranbah; not all that uncommon given the vast distances in Queensland and the paucity of Jet A1 bowsers :cool: :ok:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cac933f175.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8248a2856e.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....98a2f1bce8.jpg http://www.facebook.com/qldambulance...7522879279425/ When I was flying Allouette IIs and 3s in Nigeria we could drop into almost any oil company pipe yard for a drum of diesel if we were 'caught short' for Jet A1 :p |
Diesel not on the FAA or EASA TCDS John, just an Oz thing?
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Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10790537)
Diesel not on the FAA or EASA TCDS John, just an Oz thing?
Queensland Government AirCorey Dark Good afternoon Corey! No this isn’t a PR stunt.😀 One of the great features of the AW139 Aircraft which is operated by QGAir is that they can run on Diesel fuel! This is especially helpful for our long distance Search and Rescue missions in the outback were Jet fuel can be hard to find. Thanks |
The problem with diesel is the possibility of low temperature fuel waxing in the airframe fuel filters; so even though the engine can safely burn it, it might not be approved.
It may be that an aircraft with heated fuel filters is safe, if not not allowed. Certainly the Puma HC1 didn't have heated fuel filters (so no diesel approval and FSII needed for Jet fuel), later Agusta helicopters do and it's allowed by the RFM. |
Originally Posted by Twist & Shout
(Post 10790382)
Pretty common “in the old days”.
I can remember planning via roadhouses on Robinson ferry flights across Australia We still had leaded fuel (“Super”) at the “servos”. Handy, as I was often flying IFR (I Follow Roads) - just prior to GPS. Old. Actually they did and I had to buy a full drum. (wasn't a R22 or R44) The place had an airstrip at the back, but the boss said he did not hear me land. Lucky it was an airstrip as needed a bit of a run at it to get airborne! |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10790537)
Diesel not on the FAA or EASA TCDS...
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So I would lay a farthing to Threadneedle Street that QG Air have appropriate approval from CASA |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10791478)
but I thought the TCDS would have the latest info,...
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Thanks wrench, sure gets complicated, every day is a learning day. :ok:
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The TCDS scheme is archaic, confusing and riddled with errors to the point of uselessness for anybody other than an entrenched bureaucrat. The 737MAX fiasco and it's tortured sheet proves that (A16WE, revision 65).
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Unfortunately it's the only source of information somebody has who doesn't possess a flight manual.
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Originally Posted by JimEli
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The TCDS scheme is archaic, confusing and riddled with errors to the point of uselessness for anybody other than an entrenched bureaucrat. The 737MAX fiasco and it's tortured sheet proves that (A16WE, revision 65).
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The problem with diesel is the possibility of low temperature fuel waxing in the airframe fuel filters; *Great Australian F*** All, there is nuffin' out there. |
Originally Posted by wrench1
(Post 10793353)
FWIW: have no clue in using a TCDS on a 737, but have used them on a semi-regular basis over the years on GA rotor/fixed wing aircraft for the issue/reissue of AWC/CoAs, compliance of conformity checks, etc. While I'm about as far away as you can get from an "entrenched bureaucrat," I would hate to see what type of document you would prefer to use for these regular certificate issuances/checks considering a TCDS is but a "sliver" of the aircraft certification documentation process.
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Pretty rare to need such things in the middle of the GAFA* where it is mostly darn hot |
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