I still have not figure out how does a five seater can get away without certification a two seater: you and maybe willing buddy, short trip, good-weather-only, experimental makes sense, its cheaper and the same fun. a five seater: its diferent type of mission, how do you explain to the passenger at the back. that, you know... ... its home made....... how do you explain the word experiemental in big letter that shows brightly when you open the door I would not climb onboard and would not let my familly climb onboard. do the authority even investigate the crash on non-certified aircraft? |
Originally Posted by CGameProgrammerr
(Post 11036234)
In the US there are no limitations at all on what aircraft can be experimental; literally anything can. In fact manufacturers have experimental prototypes or testbed aircraft they use for testing the aircraft, or potential changes to it, before certification.
The uk has only one type of home built helicopter flying in uk airspace AFAIK |
UK CAA are type approving it hence the 5 seats and day/night VFR. Their website explains this in the GA2.0 area.
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Originally Posted by CRAN
(Post 11036300)
UK CAA are type approving it hence the 5 seats and day/night VFR. Their website explains this in the GA2.0 area.
As the uk CAA have already agreed to type approval before any flight why couldn’t they do that before with other home built helicopters that have thousands of hours flight time already the CAA are a strange bunch one rule for 1 person and another for the next |
The website states "it is built in our UK CAA approved factory".
So has one actually been built in the UK CAA approved factory ? |
Can experimental aircraft be used for aerial work ? Or why does it have hook option ?
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Originally Posted by r88
(Post 11037053)
Can experimental aircraft be used for aerial work ? Or why does it have hook option ?
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Originally Posted by md 600 driver
(Post 11036302)
If that’s true thats fantastic
As the uk CAA have already agreed to type approval before any flight why couldn’t they do that before with other home built helicopters that have thousands of hours flight time already the CAA are a strange bunch one rule for 1 person and another for the next |
Bell ringer - I don't think you are taking this earnest sales pitch seriously:)
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"The hook mount is optional", so making the hull to accept the hook mount would be a sensible idea , especially as they say "going for type approval at a later date"
Would be nice to see a prototype, or even a running turbine |
A prototype or concept development aircraft needs to be able to fly to prove its designed systems and concepts. If the CAA didn’t approve the build, no new designs would fly in UK at all. Much of the snag-busting should have been done during simulations and ground runs, hopefully with every sensor you can shake a stick at. The only item not calculated might be the noise generated in flight....
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The excerpt said the factory was CAA-approved. It did not say anything about the helicopter being CAA approved.
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Originally Posted by CGameProgrammerr
(Post 11040038)
The excerpt said the factory was CAA-approved. It did not say anything about the helicopter being CAA approved.
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 11040146)
Can a regulator approve a factory? What does that even entail?
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Originally Posted by Mee3
(Post 11040356)
It means either a POA or at least an AMO.
A maintenance organisation can only fabricate small parts for a particular project i.e not produce stock parts. A Factory can be the like of BAES or Airbus that have to demonstrate how they have control of the suppliers, materiel and processes to produce a constant result. If they can produce a standard part they can be awarded the right to issue a Form 1. If they can produce an aircraft, they can be awarded for a Form 52. It can take 5-10 years for a Form 52. |
Originally Posted by Rigga
(Post 11040598)
A Factory is a Production Organisation that can produce batches of materials for stock and sales
A maintenance organisation can only fabricate small parts for a particular project i.e not produce stock parts. A Factory can be the like of BAES or Airbus that have to demonstrate how they have control of the suppliers, materiel and processes to produce a constant result. If they can produce a standard part they can be awarded the right to issue a Form 1. If they can produce an aircraft, they can be awarded for a Form 52. It can take 5-10 years for a Form 52. |
The website states "it is built in our UK CAA approved factory".
A FACTORY, not an approved maintenance organisation. Not EASA approved, but CAA approved.......... |
Originally Posted by Mee3
(Post 11040740)
If it remains a kit, then AMO is sufficient. Its good to have anyways, not mandatory.
A ‘Kit’ still has to be ‘manufactured’, i.e. in a factory, and properly certified (Forms 1 and/or 52). But a purchased Kit can be “assembled” by an AMO or even a private person (with appropriate supervision) and released with a SMI-CRS. |
Originally Posted by Rigga
(Post 11041073)
Slightly incorrect...anyway!
A ‘Kit’ still has to be ‘manufactured’, i.e. in a factory, and properly certified (Forms 1 and/or 52). But a purchased Kit can be “assembled” by an AMO or even a private person (with appropriate supervision) and released with a SMI-CRS. |
There is still a huge disconnect with the complexity of the proposed final aircraft and my idea of a "kit".
Rotorway, Helicycle ... that is my idea of a kit .... So much more to mess-up with a 500hp turbine, and don't get me started with the complexity of the wire harness for those nice screens. |
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