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helicrazi 12th Aug 2019 12:16

Bristow Full Sponsorship
 
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d22d629bf1.jpg
Great to see something like this again....

FC80 12th Aug 2019 17:34

Great to see.

Good luck to all and let’s hope that Bristow choose wisely... ;)

paco 12th Aug 2019 17:57

Read the small print - only available to those who have done their PPL with helicentre I believe.

FC80 12th Aug 2019 18:16

Where are you seeing that Paco? Can’t see any small print on the website that would imply that a PPL is a prerequisite.

Variable Load 12th Aug 2019 18:16


Originally Posted by paco (Post 10543329)
Read the small print - only available to those who have done their PPL with helicentre I believe.

There's actually two schemes, one being a CPL "scholarship" available to a PPL student who is training with Helicentre, the other is a full ab-initio sponsored scheme.

Details here:
https://www.flyheli.co.uk/news/helic...h-scholarship/
and
https://www.flyheli.co.uk/news/helic...det-programme/

Bravo73 12th Aug 2019 18:17


Originally Posted by paco (Post 10543329)
Read the small print - only available to those who have done their PPL with helicentre I believe.

I’m not so sure.

It doesn’t look like a PPL(H) is a pre-requisite: https://www.flyheli.co.uk/bristow/

haihio 12th Aug 2019 18:50

So I’m guessing there is a shortage of inexperienced helicopter pilots in the UK?

helicrazi 12th Aug 2019 18:52

Shortage of all heli pilots, look at the same jobs being advertised time and time again

PlasticCabDriver 12th Aug 2019 20:09

This website:

https://www.pilotcareernews.com/heli...h-scholarship/

says:


Applicants for the 2019 Bristow CPL(H) Scholarship must have obtained their PPL(H) at Helicentre Aviation Academy.
but it’s not a Helicentre or Bristow website so not entirely unlikely that it’s incorrect

MustafAli 12th Aug 2019 20:28

So a bankrupt company is able to spend 100s of thousands of pounds sponsoring new pilots even though they never got any return on the last several sponsored cadets that they let go and there is no shortage of suitable qualified people out there. Something stinks in Bristow management.
Shareholders who lost everything should kick up a storm.

Bristow shareholders who lost everything must be delighted to hear this news. Especially when there are plenty of already fully qualified pilots around including the last batch of cadets that they never made any return out of.
Bristow low ethics really stink.

Special 25 12th Aug 2019 20:37

As Variable Load says above, there are actually two schemes. Well three I think

A CPL sponsorship which does require a PPL(H) to apply - So its a small sponsorship from the PPL to the CPL for pilots on a modular course

There is the Bristow CPL Cadet scheme - The one advertised in that flyer above. The requirements are minimal and the application form asks if you have any previous flying experience

Finally, the Bristow Group LinkedIn page is also advertising an Instrument Rating sponsorship at Castle Air for those that have a CPL(H) already.

Good to see HP courses starting up again!!

Nescafe 13th Aug 2019 05:14

All this whilst they make yet more experienced type and instrument rated captains redundant in Australia.

Shameful behaviour.

Same again 13th Aug 2019 07:11


Shameful behaviour.
I am sure that young aspiring helicopter pilots would not agree with you. In my opinion it shows forward thinking which has been sadly lacking in the industry for some time.

ersa 13th Aug 2019 07:13


Originally Posted by Nescafe (Post 10543623)
All this whilst they make yet more experienced type and instrument rated captains redundant in Australia.

Shameful behaviour.


They don't want experienced pilots that cost money . A way of clearing out older pilots

Hot_LZ 13th Aug 2019 07:37


Originally Posted by ersa (Post 10543665)
They don't want experienced pilots that cost money . A way of clearing out older pilots

I believe they’ve taken on a few experienced guys over the last year. There are a lot of experienced applicants that can’t stomach wearing 3 bars...

LZ

9Aplus 13th Aug 2019 10:07

And they claim EASA CPL (H) like happy end...
Must have been issued the crystal ball for post Brexit time

Bravo73 13th Aug 2019 11:50


Originally Posted by helicrazi (Post 10543366)
Shortage of all heli pilots, look at the same jobs being advertised time and time again

It’s more a case of a shortage of decent T&Cs for those particular jobs.

berlioz 14th Aug 2019 06:40

Something "smells" in this....

I do not believe there's a "shortage" of pilots in Europe. What definitely exists is a shortage of type rated 139, 189, 175 pilots.

I´m sure we all know pilots Multi-Engine rated with IR that are looking for a new position, only that they don´t have the "golden" type rating and cant afford to spend 50.000 to get a golden rating.

Bristow has been doing some career days invitations to pilots. I can say i´ve been to one. (never got any feedback after) this "interview" was made in the same ATO installations where this IR ratting is to be done.

So there´s a business of some type existing between Helicentre Aviation and Bristow.

With the amount of pilots out there there's no need for a helicopter company to sponsor IR rating. Unless this is only a big merchandise and free publicity action. Just think of how many pilots have seen this offer and how many hundreds will apply to it.......probably.....few or none will attend this sponsorship but i´m sure they´ll all get a special deal in getting they're IR with Helicentre Aviation ;-).

"There are no free lunch invitations"

9Aplus 14th Aug 2019 07:03

May be new approach to marketing too ;)
All bells and whistles for only:

Four cadets will have their training fully sponsored to enable them to qualify as Commercial Helicopter Pilots. The cadets will also receive sponsorship of their Instrument Rating course enabling them to transition directly from training into employment with Bristow, flying offshore as first officers at one of the company’s UK bases. The programme will commence this autumn and will be delivered at Helicentre’s Midlands-based training centre.

FC80 14th Aug 2019 07:37

Trust the users of PPRuNe to find something negative about something like this :rolleyes:

[email protected] 14th Aug 2019 07:44


Trust the users of PPRuNe to find something negative about something like this https://www.pprune.org/images/smilie...n_rolleyes.gif
or perhaps shining a light on a PR exercise from a company looking to reduce its cost base?

rotormonkey 14th Aug 2019 08:00

Bristow Full Sponsorship
 
Sounds great.

My top tip for anyone going down this route, or any other path to the offshore flying world would be to get your PPL(A) in your back pocket and crunch through the ATPL(A) theory before you need it.

Think of it as an insurance policy.

RM

ersa 14th Aug 2019 09:39


Originally Posted by heli87 (Post 10544655)
After applying for their IR sponsorship programme I received an email back saying

“For your information the selection day has been confirmed as Tuesday 10
th
September 2019 at Castle Air Academy, Gloucester Airport (www.castleairacademy.com ) “

any idea what they mean by selection day?


More than likely be an assessment day , and possible have a go in the SIM, to assess your ability

FC80 14th Aug 2019 13:09


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10544576)
or perhaps shining a light on a PR exercise from a company looking to reduce its cost base?

Yes, thank goodness for the perspicacity of these blessed few visionaries exposing the corporate evil intent behind a full CPL/IR sponsorship scheme.

:hmm:

Chris the Robot 14th Aug 2019 14:12

On the face of things it looks like a very good program, though no doubt we'll find out more as things progress.

[email protected] 14th Aug 2019 15:01

FC80 - you and some others are glass-half-full - I and some others are glass-half-empty - I for one am long enough in the tooth not to believe glossy brochures and sales pitch.:ok:

Same again 14th Aug 2019 15:33

There are plenty of good pilots around the industry in senior training and managerial positions (some still with Bristow) who are products of the Bristow sponsored training scheme. Good to see it back again.

paco 14th Aug 2019 15:41

Just to clarify - it would appear that there are two schemes (as Variable Load says) - one which requires a PPL and one which doesn't - but that is administered by Helicentre on behalf of Bristow.

Bravo73 14th Aug 2019 16:04


Originally Posted by berlioz (Post 10544531)
Bristow has been doing some career days invitations to pilots. I can say i´ve been to one. (never got any feedback after)

I’m sorry to say it but if you’ve been to one of their recruitment days and you haven’t heard back, regardless of how experienced and qualified that you might be, then maybe you aren’t the sort of employee that they are looking for.

Bravo73 14th Aug 2019 16:10


Originally Posted by ersa (Post 10544682)
More than likely be an assessment day , and possible have a go in the SIM, to assess your ability

Yep, expect aptitude tests, ‘team building’ exercises, interviews (with and without a shrink) and a sim check. Do a search on here for Oxford/Bond tests.

If you are serious about this, you will be very well served by paying a visit to Staverton ASAP.

berlioz 15th Aug 2019 05:43


Originally Posted by Same again (Post 10545015)
There are plenty of good pilots around the industry in senior training and managerial positions (some still with Bristow) who are products of the Bristow sponsored training scheme. Good to see it back again.

Probably the times were different.

Probably in those days there were no helicopter pilots with IR in the market. And companies had to sponsor, nowadays its different.

Like someone said here in this thread im a "half empty glass" kind of guy, and i´ve been around time enough to realise that big corporations are all about business and profit for share-holders.

But saying that i really wish the best o luck for those that are fortunate/skilled enough to be selected to this sponsorship. And definitely if you aspire a better job.....IR is essential.


berlioz 15th Aug 2019 05:47


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 10545040)


I’m sorry to say it but if you’ve been to one of their recruitment days and you haven’t heard back, regardless of how experienced and qualified that you might be, then maybe you aren’t the sort of employee that they are looking for.

Totally agree, but still if you go and spend your own money and time to attend one of this career days (My residence is not in the UK ;-) ).....you would expect a email....saying "thank you, don´t call us we will call you".

Safe landings

Bravo73 15th Aug 2019 07:22


Originally Posted by berlioz (Post 10545520)
you would expect a email....saying "thank you, don´t call us we will call you".

Indeed. It’s very poor form if you didn’t hear anything back at all.

However busy that they think that they might be, HR departments can be very short-sighted at times.

helimutt 15th Aug 2019 10:02

So one thread is stating that Bristow will have 24 aircraft repossessed in various countries, yet they believe its a good idea to take on sponsored co-pilots??? There are many pilots with experience who would gladly take up work but Bristow must think they are too expensive. Got to keep those shareholders happy eh? Any company that cant even be bothered to respond, don't deserve attention. Bristow were, and still seem to be the worst helicopter company in business right now. In business for how much longer I wonder?

sudden twang 15th Aug 2019 13:38

HP courses certainly produced many senior managers/trainers.
Could the advantage be about a government apprenticeship?

Same again 15th Aug 2019 14:47

If you select and train your own pilots then you generally have no issues with them. Problems arise when you take on pilots who look good on paper but turn out to be poorly trained or have 'personality' issues. Occassionally due to a pressing need for bums on seats Bristow have taken on some of these even when cautioned by previous employers or employees and have regretted it.

Nigerian Expat Outlaw 15th Aug 2019 17:00


Originally Posted by Same again (Post 10545930)
If you select and train your own pilots then you generally have no issues with them. Problems arise when you take on pilots who look good on paper but turn out to be poorly trained or have 'personality' issues. Occassionally due to a pressing need for bums on seats Bristow have taken on some of these even when cautioned by previous employers or employees and have regretted it.

I distinctly remember many graduates of HP courses breaking their training bonds and going off to other companies. Many Nigerians just left and stayed in the UK pursuing other careers, having used the HP admission to gain a visa. Never heard of any of them being sued to repay their bond. That said, a good number went on to successful careers.

Fully agree on the recruitment of sub stadard pilots just to fill seats who end up costing the company dear one way or another.

NEO

ersa 15th Aug 2019 22:02


Originally Posted by Same again (Post 10545930)
If you select and train your own pilots then you generally have no issues with them. Problems arise when you take on pilots who look good on paper but turn out to be poorly trained or have 'personality' issues. Occassionally due to a pressing need for bums on seats Bristow have taken on some of these even when cautioned by previous employers or employees and have regretted it.

Eventually those carefully selected and train pilots , wake up to the bull**** at some stage

HeliComparator 16th Aug 2019 17:04


Originally Posted by Same again (Post 10545930)
If you select and train your own pilots then you generally have no issues with them. Problems arise when you take on pilots who look good on paper but turn out to be poorly trained or have 'personality' issues. Occassionally due to a pressing need for bums on seats Bristow have taken on some of these even when cautioned by previous employers or employees and have regretted it.

Exactly so. And during the boom years of 2012-2013 I recall a trail of people waving CPL(H)/IRs at Bristow but under interview and practical test in the sim, many were either a bit odd or couldn’t really fly. These HP type courses means people are selected on ability, not on ability to pay a lot of money for a licence, and in the long term that is much better for the company.

212man 16th Aug 2019 18:18


These HP type courses means people are selected on ability, not on ability to pay a lot of money for a licence, and in the long term that is much better for the compan
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