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JGtn 24th Jun 2019 00:02

90 degree bank “due to turbulence” that a severe one...
Unless keeping that attitude for few seconds, but the aircraft isn’t an aerobatic one, there no reason here to ran out of fuel.

Further more, if a pilot can do the same job with 30% pay cut, the engines can’t do the same range with 30% fuel cut... unfortunately

Helisweet 12th Jul 2019 16:00

The flight data recorder has shown that in the event the pitch angle increased up to 19 ° and that there were two roll to the left: the first of 33 ° and the second of 140 °.

Phoinix 12th Jul 2019 16:19

With cyclic input to support that roll or without or against it (correcting roll)?

SASless 12th Jul 2019 16:33

Am I missing something?

"Turbulence" to my memory has never "rolled" the helicopter....pitched up...yawed...perhaps a very small amount of roll....lots of vertical oscillations....but never even remotely close to the roll being described here.

The one exception to that is wake turbulence which can produce large roll rates.

I am not buying the story of "clear air or mechanical turbulence" rolling the aircraft.


Milo C 12th Jul 2019 18:03

A single crewmember onboard trying to have some fun?

212man 12th Jul 2019 19:20


I am not buying the story of "clear air or mechanical turbulence" rolling the
. Me neither! The FDR will immediately show cyclic position vs Aircraft attitude - if genuine, they will be in opposition!

Yara-ma-yha-who 12th Jul 2019 19:47

Sounds a bit like RBS to me.

212man 12th Jul 2019 21:32


Originally Posted by Yara-ma-yha-who (Post 10517158)
Sounds a bit like RBS to me.

no way on a 139. RBS will happen way above Vne.

sycamore 12th Jul 2019 21:57

What was the height of the ground where he landed..?
Surely it was enough to have tried a relight in auto....?

400hover 16th Sep 2020 10:14

Hello pilots! Any rumours on this one??

On the official side... there is no updates...

https://www.mitma.gob.es/organos-col...019/a-027-2019

topradio 17th Sep 2020 07:08

I used Google Translate on that page

"The pilot was unhinged and left the aircraft on his own"

Ascend Charlie 17th Sep 2020 07:47


Am I missing something?

"Turbulence" to my memory has never "rolled" the helicopter....pitched up...yawed...perhaps a very small amount of roll....lots of vertical oscillations....but never even remotely close to the roll being described here.
A late response here, Sassy, but in the late 80s I was flying a BK117 in the NSW Blue Mountains, planning to rescue a man from the bottom of a cliff. The wind was very strong from the west, and we would not have attempted the task in the B206, but we felt comfortable in the BK. Until we got into the mechanical turbulence from the cliffs - we rolled to 120 degrees, recovered, and decided to not rescue the man after all. Landed nearby and had a coffee while the ground people collected him. He was an attempted suicide, took pills, stood on the edge of the cliff and shot himself, fell down the cliff but survived. Some weeks later he was more successful.


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