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Originally Posted by FlyHiGuy
(Post 10296686)
I'm not sure if this would explain it but in VIP ops, often the crew would position the direction of the nose to ensure that the VIP pax gets out and can directly walk to or enter from his destination .
Regarding crew qualification, I suspect the pointed expression "Passenger" used in news reports to describe the left seat occupant, but not the remainder of those on board comes from the AAIB on site. Having peripherally observed a not dissimilar GA situation with qualified pilot and another without the right qualifications (actually the airframe owner), the AAIB report said "Passenger" almost every paragraph, to make their point. |
I hear what you are saying but surely the two pilots must at least have a licence for the vehicle that they are flying ie Helicopter or Aeroplane? |
My God have we not got it yet ???? V often a pax may feel safer having someone with some knowledge up front with the pilot . This is often due to fear of possible pilot incapacitation. I have done this over the years in many aircraft . This operation was single pilot but having someone capable with you to look outside , remember frequencies etc can only be a help . It looks like you are all willing there to be a legal problem .....
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Do we anticipate an incoming temporary flight suspension or emergency AD?
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AW169 AD's.
Originally Posted by silverelise
(Post 10296776)
Do we anticipate an incoming temporary flight suspension or emergency AD?
The only AD's that I can see for the AW169 are enclosed in the PDF below.. https://www.caa.govt.nz/assets/legac...ives/AW169.pdf |
Whilst I agree that 'any old pilot' in the other seat of a single crew operation could quite likely be a liability, the two Pilots in this case were both highly experienced Corporate Crew who had flow together professionally for a long time, understood CRM and had a wealth of knowledge between them, even if one was fixed not rotary.
Having flown single pilot ops in complex types many years ago I did appreciate a competent pilots assistant as they used to be termed. As long as they are briefed/trained in the scope of their input I have only seen it as a good thing. |
G-VKSP maintenance provider
Originally Posted by Cabby
(Post 10296888)
Have wondered the same thing about AD's? Any news from other AW169 owners, OR whoever provided the maintenance on the 169 involved in the crash?
The only AD's that I can see for the AW169 are enclosed in the PDF below.. https://www.caa.govt.nz/assets/legac...ives/AW169.pdf I believe they are the importer of the AW169 type into the UK. When was the a/c last checked for the latest AD about the emergency windows being difficult to push out? 5th Sept AD posted earlier. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...313983994).jpg This photo taken in 2016 at same place. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...401335502).jpg |
As we reach the end of day three of the AAIB investigation, the fact their are no ADs and the aircraft type has not been grounded suggests the following.
(a) There is no reason to suspect that the aircraft was in anyway defective. (b) The primary causal factor is a result of the aircraft sustaining damage during flight as a result with contact with a structure or other object. (c) If not (b) then due to the handling of the aircraft by the pilot in command, pax or both, either in error or intentionally. |
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Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 10295281)
Yep - very puzzling accident.
Clearly a highly experienced pilot apparently operating to SOPs - LTRE wouldn't seem to be a factor. An almost brand new and very sophisticated machine - that one would assume was impeccably maintained. Could there have been some sort of one off assembly or manufacturing fault that caused a catastrophic drive shaft or gearbox failure? But then you'd think there'd be multiple independent checks of components at time of assembly? Very strange... Accident at Leicester City Football Club's stadium - DETAIL - Leonardo - Aerospace, Defence and Security I do like a certain tabloid this morning that showed photo of G-LCFC when criticising the Beeb sports editor for his assumptions on the relationship between two members of the deceased ATB cheers |
Originally Posted by anchorhold
(Post 10296923)
As we reach the end of day three of the AAIB investigation, the fact their are no ADs and the aircraft type has not been grounded suggests the following.
(a) There is no reason to suspect that the aircraft was in anyway defective. (b) The primary causal factor is a result of the aircraft sustaining damage during flight as a result with contact with a structure or other object. (c) If not (b) then due to the handling of the aircraft by the pilot in command, pax or both, either in error or intentionally. |
Originally Posted by anchorhold
(Post 10296923)
As we reach the end of day three of the AAIB investigation, the fact their are no ADs and the aircraft type has not been grounded suggests the following.
(a) There is no reason to suspect that the aircraft was in anyway defective. (b) The primary causal factor is a result of the aircraft sustaining damage during flight as a result with contact with a structure or other object. (c) If not (b) then due to the handling of the aircraft by the pilot in command, pax or both, either in error or intentionally. |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10296934)
(d) The cause has not yet been positively determined by AAIB.
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(Reuters) - The helicopter crash that killed Leicester City soccer club owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha was not caused by a police drone, Leicestershire Police said on Monday, as investigations continue into how the accident happened. |
New footage emerges
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SASless: "The usual suspects are making statements of certainty already.....as is their habit...despite knowing nothing of what caused the accident."
I haven't but this quote from JimL (a prime architect of the PC1 'upwards and backwards' take off that delivers 'engine accountability') might be pertinent: "The arguement that simplicity is safer than complexity is a given, only the consequence of failure is in question" Lets wait for the report, whatever it was, many here lost a great friend and a "top banana". Always v sad for many people. |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10296934)
(d) The cause has not yet been positively determined by AAIB.
Glasgow ran out of fuel...Shoreham pilot...North Sea EC225 let those down wearing big boy pants...etc |
At frame 00.54 something appears to fly from above and to the right of the aircraft and then, at a different angle, move very fast off to the lower left of frame, around 5 second before it transitions into forward flight and immediately begins to rotate.
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Originally Posted by Gustosomerset
(Post 10297058)
At frame 00.54 something appears to fly from above and to the right of the aircraft and then, at a different angle, move very fast off to the lower left of frame, around 5 second before it transitions into forward flight and immediately begins to rotate.
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One shaken witnesses told The Sun: “I’ve seen that helicopter take off lots of times, but I’ve never noticed it take so long to get up and stay up there in the same position in the sky for that length of time."Normally it goes straight up, and it’s gone. “But this time, it seemed to take a long time to get up, and it stayed in the same place which seemed very unusual. Then, obviously, you know the rest. |
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