Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 9730117)
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Dclbydaplha - so it is S-AIS:) The original concept of AIS was a LOS collision avoidance IIRC. Your recollection is correct, IIRC it was originally developed for collision avoidance in coastal approaches and in to harbour. Like all technology its use gets extended. I am not aware of any modification required to a ship's AIS for it to be tracked by satellite. Best if it is a Class A unit though. |
Concentric
I don't know the SAR fit for that S92, but I'd be surprised if it didn't include AIS. However whether it would have been selected for display is another matter. Again, even with a beacon, the crew would have needed to be operating the radar in a beacon mode to benefit. Not sure what the SOP would have been with regards to those items during such an approach. |
The thing I can't get my head around is either
1) why there was no terrain warning. 2) if there was why it was too late or ignored. |
My experience out of long time hosting of VHF AIS RX that standard coverage is 40 km between the islands. On open 80-100 km (LOS) for small crafts and in some extra summer propagation cases can go up 1500-1800 km. Location Mediterranean sea.
For low flying objects much better than ADS B or Mode A & C MLAT (have them too) |
Originally Posted by dClbydalpha
(Post 9730167)
The thing I can't get my head around is either
1) why there was no terrain warning. 2) if there was why it was too late or ignored. Page 17: http://skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/3018.pdf The MK XXII uses turn rate and direction to predict the aircraft flight path in the turn and “looks around the corner” for terrain/obstacles. Forward airspeed will also modify the look-ahead envelope. Below 100 knots, the envelope is reduced until it is completely inhibited at 70 knots or less. The preceeding speeds are for "fast" helicopter configurations, "slow" configurations use the range 90 knots to 60 knots for envelope reduction |
Re SAR fit for Irish CG S92s - they had (2014) Saab R4 AIS at Winch Op position.
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The following link may be of interest. Irish Coast uard is part of Dept. of Transport
S-92A Technical Details | DTTAS Department of Transport, Tourism And Sport |
Just to note. The R4a is not connected to any on board sensors (ie air data computers) so any speed data is calculated from the AIS internal GPS position changes. The AIS GPS antenna on the S92 is located on the tail pylon.
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I am not aware of any modification required to a ship's AIS for it to be tracked by satellite. Best if it is a Class A unit though. The AIS GPS antenna on the S92 is located on the tail pylon. Great idea to have the EGPWS disabled at 70 kts - just the sort of speed you are doing a trans down to the hover and possibly getting close to obstacles/land. |
212 man. Sorry being a bit sloppy with my terminology. There are a number of conditions under which there is no FLTA protection. Similarly warnings could be inhibited. However the display should have had an unambiguous amber blob of terrain in their flight path. I can't fathom either the absence or misinterpretation of this.
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 9730188)
...for the Mk XXII EGPWS the look ahead alert envelope shrinks below 100 KIAS and is inhibited below 70 KIAS? I'm not saying that is what happened, but it lends itself as an explanation.
I have come to the conclusion the system can't be relied upon 100% of the time, and if you're relying on it not to hit something, that reliance is not totally reliable. |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 9730229)
No, I believe the modifications had to be done to the satellites to allow them to pick up the specific VHF tx from the ships AIS - duplex channels of 87B and 88B I think.
that will be the GPS Rx but where is the VHF Tx aerial for the AIS? Great idea to have the EGPWS disabled at 70 kts - just the sort of speed you are doing a trans down to the hover and possibly getting close to obstacles/land. |
Originally Posted by ukv1145
(Post 9730263)
VHF Tx just forward of the ramp on the belly.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 9730229)
Great idea to have the EGPWS disabled at 70 kts - just the sort of speed you are doing a trans down to the hover and possibly getting close to obstacles/land.
As far as I can tell, the map display should still have had the high terrain marked. If it wasn't i'm interested to know why. |
As far as I can tell, the map display should still have had the high terrain marked. If it wasn't i'm interested to know why |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 9730396)
Yes, it will.
But only if selected onto a display, presumably? |
Originally Posted by HeliComparator
(Post 9730420)
But only if selected onto a display, presumably?
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 9730505)
Yes, but assuming the wx radar is on the NAV MFD it will require the PFD to be set to ARC mode to show EGPWS (or vice versa depending on which requires the greater granularity) . That's how I set it up ...
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Originally Posted by dClbydalpha
(Post 9730510)
Thanks for the info, from your setup I presume there is no automatic popup with proximity to off airport terrain.
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The pop up mode is not a separate mode, it merely displays the terrain map when a warning is generated; so it will be suppressed in the same way as described above.
On another note, radar beacons display in the S-92A standard wx mode. |
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