SAR Bristow Holland to go?
Any truth in the rumour that the Bristow Jigsaw SAR heli bases in Holland are to close? Who's taking over?
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NH90??
Looks like they shift to 5th gear . |
Safety Case
What is a 'safety case' apart from an item of luggage useful for transporting important documents?
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Using a translation website for those of us not of Dutch descent.
Subject: SAR helicopter dust EXTREMELY URGENT Dear Ms. Schultz van Haegen, Please, we ask again your urgent attention to adequate Search and Rescue (SAR) facilities to guarantee by the Government after 1 January 2014 and thereby the safety of people in the North Sea, including many offshore workers, unnecessarily. Needless to say I report that it should comply with the national and international agreed standard that a SAR helicopter 90 minutes after alerting within the entire area of responsibility of the Coast Guard must be able to present at least 16 persons to lift out of the water and then off to put on a safe location (source: note "Maritime Emergency aid ", maritime and aeronautic emergency aid on the North Sea 2010-2015, Ministry of transport and Water Management dated december 2010). From the middle of last year we have been talking to your Ministry on this issue. In our letter of 26 June 2013, we have formally reported that the NOGEPA SAR contract with Bristow at 31 december 2013 will expire and no more (again) again may be extended because of the State in which the old S61 helicopters after ten years. I log on to this that this contract now Indeed, in the formal sense has been cancelled. Over the past decade, all costs for the implementation of this voluntary NOGEPA Government undertaken (order of size 100 million euro). NOGEPA has offered this costs are not (partly) on the Government there to stories as long as they themselves will also from 1 January 2014, when our contract will be terminated, proper SAR service is available. To this end, we have, in collaboration with Mr Van Duyvendijk (President KNRM), peat (Director Coast Guard), Bauer (Schout at night Defense), constructive discussions with Mr. Jacobs of your Ministry to come to a rounded business case for the hiring of two medium size SAR helicopters by the Government from 1 January 2014. This business case was completed to everyone's satisfaction for more than half a year ago, therefore on a such time that the Government could start the competitive bidding process in a timely manner. However, to date, your Ministry working to reach agreement on the internal distribution of costs (estimated at about 8 million per year) and the process, in our view, serious and unnecessary delay, Despite multiple direct consultation with stakeholders mentioned ministers repeatedly camp, Opstelten, Hennis-Plasschaert and yourself. The possible and very undesirable consequence might be that after January 1, 2014 no adequate SAR supply cannot be guaranteed by the Government, whereby also the security of our colleagues offshore is no longer guaranteed. As a result, we would be forced, partly under pressure from the Inspector General of SodM (State supervision of mines), to our gas production at sea discontinued. Obviously, this will have very serious consequences both in terms of the security of supply, financial as well as employment. That is why we are asking you as responsible Minister personally to intervene directly and take action to achieve supply adequate SAR per 1 January 2014. We have done a number of specific proposals as NOGEPA to Mr J. This includes the contact we have established between Mr. Jacobs and Bristow, by the implementation of a Bristow suggested integrated UK/NL SAR solution, which are still per 1 January next year would can be entered, as possible. This solution is up for grabs, but requires immediate action. In our view, we have done everything to your Ministry to enable this problem on a constructive way to resolve in a timely manner and to everyone's satisfaction. We want to hear from you how you an adequate SAR service by 1 January 2014 so that we guarantee this goes by november 2013 to our members and their colleagues offshore, their works councils, their shareholders and our supervisor State supervision of mines can communicate. |
Outcome
Anybody know how it went, who is doing the SAR next year?
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From the dutch Coastguardwebsite:
The NH-90 will be operational for SAR in 2014. In the mean time the SAR task is performed by the Agusta Bell 412 during daylight hours. During dark hours a private helicopter is standby for SAR and stationed on the Maasvlakte. This helicopter is a Eurocopter Dauphin (NHV) |
They will probably be yellow.
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16 persons picked up in a 365. Makes (min) of 18 on board. Like to see that!
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Knowing the yellow ones, they will get them in somehow and make the paperwork fit.
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Bristow
Looking at the Dutch coastguard website the Bristow helicopter is mentioned at the bottom as a Nogepa SAR helicopter so it looks like they are still doing it. How long is that contract?
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Our Belgian friends will allocate their yellow Puma for the contract so, on paper at least, the capacity requirement is met - then turn up with a 365 and say larger bird went 'tech' on start ;-)
Ignore the above because I am not aware of the 'stop-cap' contract conditions - I was just being facetious......... .......anyway, surely their FOM will be pre-occupied with past cycling team doping claims.......doh, at it again! Stop it. This is a serious thread about a reported lack of credible SAR cover. |
Posted today on the English version of the NOGEPA website:
Today 20/12/2013 NOGEPA signed a contract with North Sea Helicopters Vlaanderen (NHV) for Search and Rescue (SAR) services. The contract entails provision of SAR services from 1/1/2014 and has a minimum duration of 6 months. NHV will operate from Den Helder Airport with two AS365N (Dauphin) helicopters, supported by additional AS365N helicopters from the Botlek area. The helicopters are equipped with advanced navigation and search and rescue systems. In emergency situations, at least three helicopters can be operational simultaneously, providing the capacity to rescue crews operating in the Dutch continental shelf area. The current contract with Bristow ends on 1 January 2014. The choice for NHV was made in close consultation with the Dutch Authorities, based on a combination of financial, health and safety and operational performance considerations. |
What a load rubbish health and safety and operational performance as NHV uk? Late and what health and safety rules as they go out of window :ugh:
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Money talks, B*ll**** walks...Got to admit the yellow boys do get the contracts. Fulfilling them, there's another chapter..
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Got to admit the yellow boys do get the contracts. |
16 person lift
Hi Guys,
Have there been many jobs in the past from Den Helder that has required an immediate of lift of such numbers? Just interested, many thanks. SkyStalker |
Now advertising for SAR pilots and swimmers on their website.
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They must have crews and aircraft in place surely. How else can they sign a contract to provide SAR cover worthy of the name on 20th December with the intention of starting on 1st January? They must already have fully-trained crews, experienced in day and night time SAR in all weathers and all environments. Plus they must already have an aircraft capable of letting down safely at night overwater. It must all be in place already.
Can you tell that it's the season of goodwill?:hmm: |
VSF you must be joking. They cannot even perform a regular contract out of EHKD, and I have from several sources that their idea of SAR "cover" is not what you and me would expect.
However, it seems that NOGEPA have painted themselves in a corner and have decided that they are good enough; probably hoping for the best while the military are trying to get the NH90 operational for SAR. This is a very bad move as it lowers the bar for safety. Chances are nothing will happen to show them up, thereby "proving" that they are good enough. So more will be done on the cheap. Safety is important until it costs money. Cynical, moi? :ugh: |
How will EASA permit them to provide SAR cover then?
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How will EASA permit them to provide SAR cover then? |
Ok, NAA then. Still, you would think that someone in the continent's safety agency would be interested that for a task as potentially hazardous as SAR in all weathers by day and night which, as we've seen in the last few days can throw up monumental challenges, is going to be provided by someone who won the contract a week and a half before the start date. That's beyond belief. Considering the levels of regulation/red tape etc that civilian operators have to comply with in most fields of aviation, it does seem as though sometimes you're good to go with Search and Rescue if you can stick a hoist on the side of an aircraft. Come on EASA/NAA. Sort it out.
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Seems that NAA are the only people who don't know the way this company operate.
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Lots of negative noise about NHV! Have any of you actually looked at the company or worked for them?
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I know one thing for sure, the belgians working in Rotterdam they can hoist.
Every storm 24/7 for years already they go out to fly for the shipping pilots service. They rescued 4 victims out a raft during storm in winter 2012.( Baltic Ace) :D |
Whilst the outgoing operator attempt to ignore the rules and shoehorn Dutch registered paramedics into UKSAR jobs ahead of UK registered paramedics despite the qualifications not being so easily transferrable..... And they have been told but they clearly know better....:ugh:
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K max
Are you the regulator who decided that the Belgians in Rotterdam 'can hoist' and from that and your reference to a rescue, are therefore the genuine SAR article? Please give details of the various configurations of day and night decks and wets that they have satisfied you with. What currency requirements do you set them? Which technique do they employ for a trapped deck at night? If I've got it wrong and you're not the regulator then please don't make sweeping statements. |
VSF
Just in case you don’t know NHV was started years ago by a group of (ex) Belgium Military SAR pilots & engineers with the help of a businessman so I think you will find they have the “know how” within the company . Also plenty of this SAR unit retirees have found employment with NHV over recent years. BTW before you ask I don’t or have never worked for NHV, regards, Finalchecksplease |
I've got nothing against NHV although it seems as though some contributors may have. What I don't understand is how a contract can be awarded the week before Xmas to start the week after Xmas to provide SAR cover in the south east corner of one of the busiest seas on the planet. How the hell can the appropriate regulatory authority think that a week and a half is sufficient time to purchase, lease or convert aircraft, recruit and train experienced crews and kit aircraft out with the necessary items to provide the quality of SAR service that the North Sea merits?
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Nope,
I have no ambition to convince someone that NHV can hoist. Is NHV the best possible available option to start next week?:confused: I do not know. But if you tell me that they just attach a hoist := Can they hoist ? Fact is they used the hoist since 1997 for shipping service, sar and windmills. Before 1997 the founders used it during there military career BAF SAR S 61. |
Sumpor -
Re: your comments about Dutch Paramedics taking jobs in UKSAR. Slightly misinformed I feel. While the company in question may believe they can shoe-horn Dutch Paramedics in to UKSAR, it would simply be illegal for them to practise in the UK, unless they have a HCPC registration. Plus, it is also a DfT requirement that UK Winchmen to be HCPC registered or in training to be so. Having converted a Paramedic qual from one European Country to another, it's not a quick process, and not always possible. |
outgoing shoehorn
By 'outgoing operator' and 'company in question' you mean Bristow.... !?
I don't know if you guys talking about transferring international medical qualifications have been to a UK A&E recently, but it can't be too difficult a process! |
NHV seem to be using oaklandsglobal recruitment to fill positions along with vacancy page on the NHV website.
We are looking for 6 x Rescue Swimmers to be based in Holland working on a 6 month contract. My client are offering a rotation of 1 week on, 2 weeks off. Candidates must be qualified Rescue Swimmers with Search and Rescue experience. If ...you are interested in this exciting contract can you please confirm the following:- What is your availability to start? How many years experience as a Rescue Swimmer for Search and Rescue do you have? Where are you currently based? If you know anyone else with the required experience please feel free to pass on my details as we have 6 positions available I look forward to hearing from you Kind regards Kathryn Sainsbury Director T: +44 (0)1892 576100 E: [email protected] W: www.oaklandsglobal.co.uk |
We are looking for 6 x Rescue Swimmers - to start two days ago.
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Hmm..... 11 days to organise machines, pilots, rear crew, trianing etc...
Are all the operators out of Den Helder still flying with full Pax or are numbers limited? Has anyone tried a simulated call-out to see if anyone shows up.... :ugh: RP |
SAR long contract
With the military almost cancelling the NH90 project for SAR, what is the future of SAR ops from Den Helder....
I thought the long term referred bidder would be announced soon... NHV? CHC&ANWB? Bristow? Bristow seem to be collecting SAR contract each and everyday so why not this one too |
Pretty quiet since the 5th....
My 2cents.... NHV are probably the cheapest but have they got the right machines for the job (4axis AP, Limited A/I etc.) .... Unlikely Bristow might be a good choice if they don't price themselves out of the market... CHC is busy enough without the 'hassle' of providing SAR ANWB hardly have any experience in this field... Maybe team up with one of the other bidders... Like CHC or maybe Heli Holland if this would be allowed in the first place... Let's hope the government have got it right this time!:rolleyes::hmm: |
Rigging Pin,
Time will tell :rolleyes: regarding the appropriate helicopters: "Airbus Helicopters AS365N (4axis) Dauphins are currently used for the search and rescue missions. The Airbus Helicopters EC175 of which NHV ordered 16 will also be used to conduct SAR missions in the future. experienced SAR pilots, winchmen and divers are already on the payroll :ok: Search and Rescue |
NHV - Do all 365's on contract for SAR at the moment have a 4axis AP or are there just 2 in the fleet at the moment?
With regard to requirements published for the new SAR service I thought it mentioned the AC needs to be able to fly in limited icing conditions? 365 /175 certified? Don't get me wrong.. I am not trying to make NHV look bad... Just interested to see what they have to offer... From your previous comment I take it everyone is still in the dark about his tender? RP |
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