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Old 22nd Oct 2013, 16:23
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SAR Bristow Holland to go?

Any truth in the rumour that the Bristow Jigsaw SAR heli bases in Holland are to close? Who's taking over?
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Old 23rd Oct 2013, 09:17
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NH90??
Looks like they shift to 5th gear .
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Old 23rd Oct 2013, 10:48
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Safety Case

What is a 'safety case' apart from an item of luggage useful for transporting important documents?
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http://www.nogepa.nl/Portals/12/nogepa/brief%20SAR.pdf

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Using a translation website for those of us not of Dutch descent.
Subject: SAR helicopter dust EXTREMELY URGENT



Dear Ms. Schultz van Haegen,

Please, we ask again your urgent attention to adequate Search and Rescue (SAR)
facilities to guarantee by the Government after 1 January 2014 and thereby the safety of
people in the North Sea, including many offshore workers, unnecessarily.

Needless to say I report that it should comply with the national and international
agreed standard that a SAR helicopter 90 minutes after alerting within the entire
area of responsibility of the Coast Guard must be able to present at least 16 persons
to lift out of the water and then off to put on a safe location (source: note "Maritime
Emergency aid ", maritime and aeronautic emergency aid on the North Sea 2010-2015, Ministry of transport
and Water Management dated december 2010).

From the middle of last year we have been talking to your Ministry on this issue. In our letter of
26 June 2013, we have formally reported that the NOGEPA SAR contract with Bristow at 31 december
2013 will expire and no more (again) again may be extended because of the State in which
the old S61 helicopters after ten years. I log on to this that this contract now
Indeed, in the formal sense has been cancelled.

Over the past decade, all costs for the implementation of this voluntary NOGEPA
Government undertaken (order of size 100 million euro). NOGEPA has offered this
costs are not (partly) on the Government there to stories as long as they themselves will also from 1 January
2014, when our contract will be terminated, proper SAR service is available.

To this end, we have, in collaboration with Mr Van Duyvendijk (President KNRM), peat (Director
Coast Guard), Bauer (Schout at night Defense), constructive discussions with Mr. Jacobs of your
Ministry to come to a rounded business case for the hiring of two medium size SAR
helicopters by the Government from 1 January 2014.

This business case was completed to everyone's satisfaction for more than half a year ago, therefore on a
such time that the Government could start the competitive bidding process in a timely manner. However, to date,
your Ministry working to reach agreement on the internal distribution of costs (estimated at
about 8 million per year) and the process, in our view, serious and unnecessary delay,
Despite multiple direct consultation with stakeholders mentioned ministers repeatedly camp,
Opstelten, Hennis-Plasschaert and yourself.

The possible and very undesirable consequence might be that after January 1, 2014 no adequate SAR
supply cannot be guaranteed by the Government, whereby also the security of our colleagues
offshore is no longer guaranteed. As a result, we would be forced, partly under pressure from the
Inspector General of SodM (State supervision of mines), to our gas production at sea
discontinued.

Obviously, this will have very serious consequences both in terms of the
security of supply, financial as well as employment. That is why we are asking you
as responsible Minister personally to intervene directly and take action to achieve
supply adequate SAR per 1 January 2014.

We have done a number of specific proposals as NOGEPA to Mr J. This includes
the contact we have established between Mr. Jacobs and Bristow, by the implementation of a
Bristow suggested integrated UK/NL SAR solution, which are still per 1 January next year would
can be entered, as possible. This solution is up for grabs, but requires
immediate action.

In our view, we have done everything to your Ministry to enable this problem on a
constructive way to resolve in a timely manner and to everyone's satisfaction. We want to hear from you how you
an adequate SAR service by 1 January 2014 so that we guarantee this goes by november 2013
to our members and their colleagues offshore, their works councils, their shareholders and our
supervisor State supervision of mines can communicate.
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Outcome

Anybody know how it went, who is doing the SAR next year?
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From the dutch Coastguardwebsite:

The NH-90 will be operational for SAR in 2014. In the mean time the SAR task is performed by the Agusta Bell 412 during daylight hours. During dark hours a private helicopter is standby for SAR and stationed on the Maasvlakte. This helicopter is a Eurocopter Dauphin (NHV)

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They will probably be yellow.
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16 persons picked up in a 365. Makes (min) of 18 on board. Like to see that!
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Knowing the yellow ones, they will get them in somehow and make the paperwork fit.
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Old 16th Dec 2013, 15:59
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Bristow

Looking at the Dutch coastguard website the Bristow helicopter is mentioned at the bottom as a Nogepa SAR helicopter so it looks like they are still doing it. How long is that contract?
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Our Belgian friends will allocate their yellow Puma for the contract so, on paper at least, the capacity requirement is met - then turn up with a 365 and say larger bird went 'tech' on start ;-)

Ignore the above because I am not aware of the 'stop-cap' contract conditions - I was just being facetious.........
.......anyway, surely their FOM will be pre-occupied with past cycling team doping claims.......doh, at it again!

Stop it. This is a serious thread about a reported lack of credible SAR cover.
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Old 20th Dec 2013, 14:42
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Posted today on the English version of the NOGEPA website:

Today 20/12/2013 NOGEPA signed a contract with North Sea Helicopters Vlaanderen (NHV) for Search and Rescue (SAR) services. The contract entails provision of SAR services from 1/1/2014 and has a minimum duration of 6 months.

NHV will operate from Den Helder Airport with two AS365N (Dauphin) helicopters, supported by additional AS365N helicopters from the Botlek area. The helicopters are equipped with advanced navigation and search and rescue systems. In emergency situations, at least three helicopters can be operational simultaneously, providing the capacity to rescue crews operating in the Dutch continental shelf area.

The current contract with Bristow ends on 1 January 2014. The choice for NHV was made in close consultation with the Dutch Authorities, based on a combination of financial, health and safety and operational performance considerations.
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Old 20th Dec 2013, 16:48
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What a load rubbish health and safety and operational performance as NHV uk? Late and what health and safety rules as they go out of window
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Money talks, B*llshit walks...Got to admit the yellow boys do get the contracts. Fulfilling them, there's another chapter..
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Old 21st Dec 2013, 20:27
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Got to admit the yellow boys do get the contracts.
Peanuts and monkeys spring to mind.
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Old 24th Dec 2013, 18:34
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16 person lift

Hi Guys,

Have there been many jobs in the past from Den Helder that has required
an immediate of lift of such numbers? Just interested, many thanks.

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Old 26th Dec 2013, 00:24
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Now advertising for SAR pilots and swimmers on their website.
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They must have crews and aircraft in place surely. How else can they sign a contract to provide SAR cover worthy of the name on 20th December with the intention of starting on 1st January? They must already have fully-trained crews, experienced in day and night time SAR in all weathers and all environments. Plus they must already have an aircraft capable of letting down safely at night overwater. It must all be in place already.

Can you tell that it's the season of goodwill?
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Old 26th Dec 2013, 10:16
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VSF you must be joking. They cannot even perform a regular contract out of EHKD, and I have from several sources that their idea of SAR "cover" is not what you and me would expect.

However, it seems that NOGEPA have painted themselves in a corner and have decided that they are good enough; probably hoping for the best while the military are trying to get the NH90 operational for SAR.

This is a very bad move as it lowers the bar for safety. Chances are nothing will happen to show them up, thereby "proving" that they are good enough. So more will be done on the cheap.

Safety is important until it costs money. Cynical, moi?
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