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jimf671 1st Jun 2014 21:31

Pages 22 to 26 of Edition 34.
Mountain Rescue Committee of Scotland

"UK Search And Rescue Helicopter Service - Spring 2014"


Any errors are probably due to the principals of open government not having trickled down to the agency concerned. Grateful for a PM if you find any.

[email protected] 2nd Jun 2014 08:25

It's a good article Jim, only one glaring error about ages of crews - there are plenty of us more mature types still doing milSAR past our 40s:ok: Mid 50s would be the normal limit unless extensions to service are granted.

Frankly, at 60 plus, do you still want to be dragged out of bed in the middle of the night to go flying in sh*te weather?

Oh, and there is no substitute for experience, regardless of how shiny and new (and capable) the aircraft.:ok:

jimf671 2nd Jun 2014 09:20


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 8503592)
It's a good article Jim, only one glaring error about ages of crews - there are plenty of us more mature types still doing milSAR ...


People are often misled by the youthful good looks of we RAF types. Same thing happens in the Regiment.:yuk:

(A young lady on our team was heard to comment during one exercise "The pilot looks about 12.")




Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 8503592)
Oh, and there is no substitute for experience, regardless of how shiny and new (and capable) the aircraft.:ok:

That's certainly one of the points I was trying to get across.

Fareastdriver 3rd Jun 2014 00:20


Frankly, at 60 plus, do you still want to be dragged out of bed in the middle of the night to go flying in sh*te weather?
Load of wimps. I was doing typhoon evacuations when I was 68.

[email protected] 3rd Jun 2014 05:21

FED, your toilet habits are hardly a suitable subject for discussion here............oh that sort of evacuation:ok:

heli1 3rd Jun 2014 06:55

Aaa ah.....the old ones are the best. ( Jokes I mean )!

Fareastdriver 3rd Jun 2014 14:18

Crab, touché

thorpey 3rd Jun 2014 16:33

Have all rear crew positions now been filled?

Norma Snockers 4th Jun 2014 17:52

Thorpey

Have all rear crew positions now been filled?
I hope this question isn't related to FEDs evacuation quote ;)

I also understand they haven't, I certainly know of a couple of RAF SAR rearcrew that have been approached in the last couple of weeks, so they are still looking.

[email protected] 5th Jun 2014 11:13

There is certainly one not-too-tall, cricket-playing, Yorkshireman who has been overlooked and really shouldn't have been - a top lad and excellent operator who outclasses many of those already taken on.

NRDK 5th Jun 2014 12:58

Crab
 
Didn't know you played cricket:)

[email protected] 5th Jun 2014 14:38

I couldn't possibly say which parts of that description might apply to me but I'm certainly not from Yorkshire old chap:ok:

jimf671 5th Jun 2014 15:19


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 8508646)
... not-too-tall, ...

189 material! :ok:



Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 8508646)
... cricket-playing, ...

Not suitable for Inverness. :E

snaggletooth 8th Jun 2014 21:54

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:ok:

davigal 11th Jun 2014 08:33

Do You guys have a clue if the Pilots positions have been filled up already??:ok::E

HarryMonk 23rd Jun 2014 06:24

Re advertisements for UK SAR
 
I notice that Bristow has re advertised all UK SAR opportunities from Captain, through rear crew and into engineering as of 20/6... Maybe the figures didn't stack up first time around or are they waiting for mil guys trapped until 2017?

jimf671 24th Jun 2014 17:39


Originally Posted by HarryMonk (Post 8533321)
I notice that Bristow has re advertised all UK SAR opportunities from Captain, through rear crew and into engineering as of 20/6... Maybe the figures didn't stack up first time around or are they waiting for mil guys trapped until 2017?

Theoretically, they should know by now who will be coming through Managed Transition. I suppose it is possible that offers have been rejected.



Originally Posted by meanttobe (Post 8535549)
Why are they still looking for people. Surely they are over subscribed already!!!!

I am sure there are plenty who want it but what could be holding things back?

- MT offers rejected: trolley dolly wages not good enough for PA Scale seniors
- MT offers rejected: other (eg: promotions, Puma2, carrier jobs, ...)
- Everybody wants the same bases
- T&C causing lifestyle issues
- HR errors
- Problems caused by the Coastguard acting like they are a branch of MI5
- Yanks bouncing folks from ITAR screening


What have I missed?

shetlander 24th Jun 2014 19:07


Problems caused by the Coastguard acting like they are a branch of MI5
Surely as the customer, having given their specification in the original tender, it has nothing to do with them.

If anything the blame is with Bristows, no AW189 yet, not enough crews, contractual penalties kicking in, delays with rollouts of bases.... Yada Yada Yada!

misterbonkers 24th Jun 2014 19:45

Does anybody know what the SAR roster pattern is?

jeepys 24th Jun 2014 22:04

Blame Culture
 
"If anything the blame is with Bristows, no AW189 yet, not enough crews, contractual penalties kicking in, delays with rollouts of bases.... Yada Yada Yada!"

Here we go already. Blaming the operator before the contract has even started.
Not saying that Bristows will get it all right first time around but tell me a company who could pull off such a large undertaking without fault.

Surely the 189 issue is a AW problem? Understandably if they did not bid with it in the first place then they may not have been in this sticky position but remember they were not the only company to include the 189.

When are we going to get the "told you so" quotes? Can't be far away.


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