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hands_on123 22nd Oct 2011 14:25

Shell Southern North Sea Contract 2012
 
Currently with Bristow, up for renewal in July I hear.

Any bets/rumours on who will win it? Bristow, CHC, NHV, Dancopter, Bond, Heliholland??

Wizzard 22nd Oct 2011 14:28

Yes, definitely one of those...

...if Bristow don't retain it:ok:

MyTarget 22nd Oct 2011 15:09

Heliholland? :rolleyes:

Inverted81 22nd Oct 2011 15:24

If HeliHolland get it, i'm screwed, i have trouble enough calling the single one that flys from Durham every now and then the correct callsign. Ends up "HollyHelland" ...... crews never sound impressed :ugh:

squib66 22nd Oct 2011 16:11

The cheapest? Why else split it from the Northern North Sea?

MyTarget 22nd Oct 2011 17:50

Well if its due in July then there must be a winner soon!

But if Bristow do loose it then what of their SAR in Den Helder.

SFIM 22nd Oct 2011 17:52


Certainly not CHC
no offence torquestripe but you so do not know what you are talking about !

there is as least as much chance of CHC winning it as any others you mention:ugh:

Overthewater 22nd Oct 2011 18:10

Rumour has it Shell will announce the award of the contract at the end of the year.

Rumour also has it that the decision of the award of the contract will be Shells' and theirs alone.

hands_on123 22nd Oct 2011 20:06

I did hear that Shell won't renew it if M.I. is in charge of Bristow European!

lowfat 23rd Oct 2011 10:04

Shouldn't the question be..............





" Who WANTS Shell?":\

rotor-rooter 23rd Oct 2011 15:29

Considering that Heli Holland operate helicopters on behalf of Greenpeace, it might be hard to imagine they might ever be under serious consideration for a contract for any oil company? :eek:

swampqueen 23rd Oct 2011 16:32

Greenpeace
 
Which contract do you think is worth more?

heliminger 23rd Oct 2011 16:37

Worth more!
 
If they are cheap they will get it. Whales or no whales.

Mark19Decker 23rd Oct 2011 16:44


I did hear that Shell won't renew it if M.I. is in charge of Bristow European!
Maybe Shell could make that one of the conditions of the contract. ;) :ok:

TGRolando 23rd Oct 2011 16:53

Does anybody know whether this is a renewal of an existing contract or the expansion of the current one?

The real Q is... New Jobs?

MyTarget 23rd Oct 2011 17:45

Jobs...... I would wait for the outcome first to see who is succesfull and what country their AOC is because TUPE doesn't always apply.

bigglesbutler 23rd Oct 2011 17:57

My target your talking cross purposes, this is about an oil and gas contract in the north sea nothing to do with SAR :ok:.

Si

MyTarget 23rd Oct 2011 18:07

Yes i know its O&G, but Bristows who have this contract split between NL & UK also operate 2 S61's for NOGEPA (i think). So if they lost the contract, i asked in a earlier post what would happen to the SAR? Would they keep it going in Den Helder or is it part and parcel with this contract.

bigglesbutler 23rd Oct 2011 18:10

AH I see what you mean, sorry.

Si

TGRolando 24th Oct 2011 09:12

TUPE
 
It's my limited understanding of TUPE that unless Bristow go under as a result of loosing the Shell contract, then TUPE does not apply. So if, for example, Bond or CHC won the contract, they would not be legally obliged to employ any of the Bristow pilots.

Is this how it works or am I missing something? If its not, then the pilots at Bristow have nothing to fear as they can just walk into another Norfolk based operation. That is assuming it's won by a Norfolk based operator...

Can anyone clarify / expand on this?

hands_on123 24th Oct 2011 09:30

Transfer of undertakings (TUPE) - Acas

The Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations (TUPE) protects employees' terms and conditions of employment when a business is transferred from one owner to another. Employees of the previous owner when the business changes hands automatically become employees of the new employer on the same terms and conditions. It's as if their employment contracts had originally been made with the new employer. Their continuity of service and any other rights are all preserved. Both old and new employers are required to inform and consult employees affected directly or indirectly by the transfer.

TGRolando 24th Oct 2011 10:29

Thanks, but that's the stuff I’ve read but still don't fully understand.

Employees of the previous owner when the business changes hands automatically become employees of the new employer on the same terms and conditions
It's my understanding that this means that the jobs at Bristow are not protected unless it's the business that changes hands and not just the contract.

Am I on the right line or still missing something?

hands_on123 24th Oct 2011 10:34

When Bristow won the Conoco contract from chc last year, all the chc pilots were TUPE'd across.

TGRolando 24th Oct 2011 11:02

That doesn't bode well for the creation of any new jobs on the SNS next year! :(

Wizzard 24th Oct 2011 16:54


That doesn't bode well for the creation of any new jobs on the SNS next year!
No, but it does bode well for those pilots already employed.

Swings/roundabouts etc.

MyTarget 24th Oct 2011 20:54

Surely this only matters if Bond or CHC are successful, if one of the foreign operators wins then no TUPE.

Deck Clear 24th Oct 2011 21:10


When Bristow won the Conoco contract from chc last year, all the chc pilots were TUPE'd across.

No, only pilots on the type that Bristow's wanted...the S76 drivers. They didn't want the 365N pilots. TUPE can be a real mixed blessing if you don't fly the type that the new company want.

Tango123 27th Feb 2012 14:35

Any news on this contract?

BR Tango123

EESDL 27th Feb 2012 16:12

Lots of rumours - which one would you like?
The one that Shell have said they will not fly in any aircraft smaller than current?
The one that some bloke 'in the know' and has had it 'on good authority' said that it has gone to that other company with 3 initials.....

IT WILL GO TO THE CHEAPEST PROVIDER

which means the staff will be the lowest paid in the sector
spares back-up will be minimum
robbing Peter to pay Paul
cutting corners - but never jeopardising safety margins
ie lots of shuffling deck chairs around on the titanic

happy days - here we go again!

Epiphany 27th Feb 2012 18:51


IT WILL GO TO THE CHEAPEST PROVIDER
Yes but look on the bright side - you can move closer to home ;)

EESDL 27th Feb 2012 22:13

........only if I win the Lottery!:uhoh:

MyTarget 28th Feb 2012 10:35


The one that some bloke 'in the know' and has had it 'on good authority' said that it has gone to that other company with 3 initials.....
Which one?;)

lowfat 29th Feb 2012 10:43

NHV....... lol

MyTarget 29th Feb 2012 11:25

why did you say LOL?

Epiphany 29th Feb 2012 11:37


why did you say LOL?
Nice one. LOL :-)

Jet Ranger 29th Feb 2012 12:15

Does first initial (maybe) C ?:E

High Speed gennie 29th Feb 2012 14:59

Quote:
The one that some bloke 'in the know' and has had it 'on good authority' said that it has gone to that other company with 3 initials.....

Well, that narrows it down to:

BHL
CHC
NHV
BOH
PHI
BAS
PDG, etc

LOL 👍

lowfat 29th Feb 2012 16:07

NHV

It remind's me of watching International its a knockout and Eddy Waring saying" Here comes the Belgans " as a group in fancy dress stumble on to the scene falling over each other and carrying a Joker..... always makes me snigger. Just my view of course .

Epiphany 29th Feb 2012 17:18

Grande Bretagne.........Nul point! :O

EESDL 29th Feb 2012 21:11

High Speed gennie - my point exactly - always have to go through this rubbish prior to renewal time - it is a rumour network after all so maybe next time we can just put a link to previous posts on the matter?


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