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EMS Saudi Arabia
There has been some talk about a new EMS operation in Saudi that supposedly started around September/October. Anyone knows how this is coming along?
Have not heard much, except some rumors that it has failed. Any truth to that? |
One of their people is present here...he will respond for sure.
So far I know no fail, they had test run during Hajj time, 6 x MD 902 should be up from JAN 2010. |
They are currently looking for qualified workers- pilots and mechs. I wouldn't call that a fail right now.
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Was actually chatting with the guy putting it all together the other day as well as a friend from Kuwait who has supplied them two machines, with more coming, and its all going well.
Ned |
new to the site but have been aware of it for some time so 1stly hello :ok:.
whats the current news on working as a medic out there and what sort of money are they paying? |
Medics beware
Hems Medic,
You may also want to inquire about "blood money" :uhoh: If some Sheik has a roll over ejection, you better make sure he still has a heart beat until he is no longer your responsibility. :E |
Bandit.... sent you a PM on this.
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I am actually one of the medical personnel currently being recruited for this operation. I am slated to deploy mid January berring any unforseen circumstances.
So far I have heard they are on target to begin in the early part of 2010 (January / February). They are taking it slow and safe, which should be the case with an operation like this. |
Why on earth
Why on earth did they choose the MD902 for their EMS aircraft? Surely with MD's recent spares scarcity and problems it would make anybody think twice about basing an EMS service on an aircraft that may not be reliable. Let alone having your whole fleet as one type.
It concerns me that if a serious fault is found with the 902 fleet most of the Air Ambulance aircraft in the UK will be grounded leaving great tracks of England with very limited coverage. I'm reminded of a saying that goes "Never fly the 'A' model of anything" If it is about money then I suggest we all start hoarding petrol. N.B Sorry if I rambled a bit but it's after lunch and it's warm in the office :) |
Who said it would be 100% MD902?
I am sure the Explorer was picked initially for it's demonstrated ability and reliability in the hostile environment of the Middle East. It has a good cabin size with little obstruction and allows full body access, has great performance and is not limited to lower than useful weights in the summer months, and has shown great reliability. The acft has a small foot-print and generates a relatively low amount of rotorwash which is invaluable in some of the places called to go to in that environment. You do not have to download fuel to remain at usefull HEMS weights in the summer. The lack of tail rotor and very high main rotor are ideal for HEMS scene work. It is unfortunate that MD did not stop their turn-around in 2007/2008, as it appears to have turned completely around and now resembles the MD of 2004/2005. Without parts suppport, no matter how reliable the Explorer is, it still becomes a paperweight with the first AOG. With consitant support it could have been a world leader in class, as long as you don't need extended fuel range. |
WT
Check your PM
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I would have to agree with all of the points friskal made about why to choose the MD Explorer.
For any pilots interested, the website is EMS Saudi Arabia. Further employment info is there, although the info is primarily for medical personnel, they do have an application portion for pilots and mechanics I do believe. Anyone on here currently in the recruitment process? |
There's an advert for pilots here to start 1st Jan
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TQ MONSTER -
"It concerns me that if a serious fault is found with the 902 fleet most of the Air Ambulance aircraft in the UK will be grounded leaving great tracks of England with very limited coverage" Not so. As AA operations in the UK use more EC135s that 902s, perhaps you should be more concerned about a serious fault with them? "I'm reminded of a saying that goes "Never fly the 'A' model of anything" Who is flying an "A" model? The "A" model of the Explorer was the MD900. the "B" model was the MD902 with P+W 206 engines. The current ("C") model is the MD902 with P+W 207 engines. |
It looks as if the new service has had its launch ceremony...
Red Crescent’s air ambulance service launched ... but I guess that the ceremony does not necessarily mean there is a service!:rolleyes: |
SRCA service officially "launched" on 20 Dec
The press report mentions 3 helicopters are already in service in Riyadh province.
Have all the former United Aviation MD Explorers been transferred ? Which MD Explorers are now operating with the SRCA ? |
UA has only received 1 Explorer so far. I guess that would mean that all of UA's Explorers are on duty in KSA.
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God it never stops does it? MD902 vs EC135 fans. Always a bit of slagging here and a bit of rumour (heard in their own non biased/ PC friendly crew room) there. I know this is a rumour network of course but just pleeeeeeeeeease can we admit that the MD 902 and the EC135 are BOTH fecking good HEMS( EMS) machines and let the people ( paramedics and doctors and the people who work with them and pay the bills for them ) sort out which one they prefer. This thread was about a new Air Ambulance OP starting up and it has already slid down to why that AC ? why not this one? which is probably posted by the person who is type rated and current on it of course !!!!
Yes I know all of us here are pilots and put in our two pence worth of advise here and there, and 99% of it is good stuff learnt from people who had a " I learn t from that " situation but please stop the my machine is the dogs nob and your is cats wee......... it gets tedious. Chances are you will have change your point of view sharpish if you contract gets cancelled!!! |
well I think the bolkow is the dogs nob and everybody should be updgrading..:}
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First United Aviation 902 is in country, was only in Kuwait for matter of weeks, before heading off deeper into the sandpit.
It would have been there sooner had MD delivered ON TIME :ugh::ugh: It was supposed to be delivered straight after Heli Expo in Feb but they finally got it around November time frame, gotta love MD NOT. :mad: As soon as second one gets delivered to Kuwait it will get turned around and head to Saudi as well. United have the contract to supply all the helos and I know they are looking for some more 902s if anyone knows of any. Ned |
Ned
you seem to be misinformed as only two MD902,s are to be supplied by Un ited the other Aircraft are all supplied by Action Aviation :ok:Three are currently in country being used for ops and Med training one further on the way next week ;) |
Interesting...is Action Aviation still an MD dealer? Rotorhub seemed to suggest last year that the dealership agreement announced in November '06 had been deep-sixed.
Action Aviation no longer listed as distributors for MD Helicopters in Middle East, India and Scandinavia Rotorhub 16 June 2008 The Rotorhub team have noted that Action Aviation are no longer listed on MD Helicopters' website as their distributor for the Middle East, the Indian Sub Continent and Scandinavia., less than twenty months after the manufacturer announced an eight-year contract with Action covering those territories. We understand from industry sources that the two organisations are in dispute after MD significantly increased the price of all their products and reduced the Distributor commission structure without notice. This has obviously affected all MD Agents and Distributors worldwide, and follows Robinson's adjustment of their distributor discount as well. |
STVA - When I was chatting with Osama Ghazal from United that was what I was led to believe. :confused:
I know Hamish had other helos there but thought they had come via United, obviously not. Cheers Ned |
Does anybody have more details about rotation, compensation, etc......?
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Whats the salary ?
Anyone know what the salary might be for a pilot with 5 yrs of EMS experience , 4000+ hrs and ATPL ( H ) .... Along with benefits .....??
Anyone ? |
Compensation
I think you need to send a message, with CV, to [email protected]
and then you can find out exactly what the deal is being offered. Currently required: FAA, IR HEMS experienced pilots. Paramedics MD902 and/or FAA A&P mechanics SMS managers / Safety officers Stores / Logistics staff Quality manager - HEMS organisation experience HR manager (ME experienced) Travel office professional The activity is Saudi based on 45-60 day rotations or resident. The team there are out saving lives now on a regular basis.....and the program will be extended countrywide, from the initial Riyadh start up activity. Other aircraft types (rotary and fixed) will be added to the mix as this grows. |
Sent my resume but ....
have heard nothing from them yet ... been 3 weeks now .. Anyone know the process ?
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Applied about 2 months ago and yet nothing !!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't know what MD902 is like as EMS machine ...
Would have thought EC135 too smal for that role ... Would have thought they may have gone a Dauphin or something that has a bit more of a multi-role capability? |
Actually just clicked on their link ... shows a background picture of a blue/red/white BK117 ... is that what they previously used?
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That, my young Padawan, is a BO105... :E
I/C |
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That's all folks, the program is over.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Very sad as the operation was begining to get going:uhoh:
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HU500D, that is not accurate. Stick to the facts! := This program is mandated by HRH King Abdullah and it will continue in one form or another.
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Is there a story here?
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Don't know what MD902 is like as EMS machine ... Would have thought EC135 too smal for that role ... Would have thought they may have gone a Dauphin or something that has a bit more of a multi-role capability?" KP: I don't think multi-role is needed for this dedicated HEMS operation. The MD902 is actually a good multi-role machine but long distance legs she does not have. What it does have is great performance for the Middle East environment, low rotorwash for the off heliport environment, low maint required in the Middle East environment, multi-patient capability and acceptable range with a 100 mile out and back range when proprely configured for HEMS and fully crewed. The only real problem with the 902 is the supplier. Bigger ships have some advantages and many dis-advantages in the Middle East, but the patients have to be in a favorable place for a bigger machine to land. I think a fleet of light twins (MD902) for local ops and a sensable fixed wing (PC-12 or maybe even a light jet) fleet for cross country transport would be a great mix in KSA. |
The problem is not the MD902, the real problem at KSA is that AA and SRCA didn’t pay the salaries of the dispatchers, paramedics, pilots and mechanics from March until everybody had enough of the lies and left KSA the first week of April.
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Copied over from The Dark Side:
All, Just a quick note to tell you all at one time--the gig is over! Action Aviation (UK company based out of Dubai FTZ) reneged on payroll for March, owes lots of money. The Saudi Red Crescent Authority (SRCA) is not going to pay Action not one red riyal more. If you are waiting for a job with them, my advice, do not turn down any real job offers. You will be waiting a long time. Also, do not believe any of the BS the Chairman or his lackeys are spewing about they are owed money and all will be well in a couple of weeks. IT WILL NOT BE! The Prince over the SRCA has issued a formal letter stating that Action will not be paid anymore money and as far as they are concerned Action Aviation broke/violated the contract. 2 MD 902s were evacuated out of Saudi prior to the whole thing falling apart. 2 remain in country. There were never more than 4 of which 3 were flyable at any time. The company tried some BS by putting a p.o.s. SJ30 on the contract along with an Airbus-318...all fell through. Apparently, the SRCA is pursuing their own ops with old B412s and a couple of AW139s. I am sure they will be hiring in the future. I will just caution you to be extremely careful! It is not what it seems on the surface...SRCA has a history of changing contracts after you are in country. Most will leave, the hard-up will remain and sign on for a future of getting screwed. |
Sad to hear..
...but you just confirmed what no one believed...or did not wanted to hear. :eek:
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Where did.....
Ian,
Where did you hear about the Princes' letter? Have you seen the letter or is it just rumor? |
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